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The "GREAT TRIBULATION"........... is sourced by GOD.

 

Be careful not to Equivocate (Fallacy) between "tribulations" (little "t") with the "GREAT TRIBULATION".  

 

 

Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.  Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will."  Matthew 24:15-20

 

I haven't been able to find an all-caps great tribulation.  The one described above is the only one that ever will be.  The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of is associated with the abomination of desolation.  It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet.  It is not God's wrath.  Simple as that.

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The great tribulation is not sourced by God , it's sourced by man.The wrath of God is not the same as the great tribulation which pretribulation teachers would mislead you to believe.

 

 

Support....?  

 

 

Please post who/what/where/when/ and how in relation to the events of Great Tribulation.

 

 

 

How are "Pretribulation Teachers" misleading?

 

 

The "Great Tribulation" is Detailed in The Book of Revelation.

 

(Matthew 24:21) " For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

 

(Revelation 2:21-22) " And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.  {22}  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

 

(Revelation 7:14) "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

 

The above 3 are the only mentions by name in Scripture.

 

What is this talking about and who is it's Source??....

 

(Revelation 6:16-17) "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:  {17} For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

 

Who is "sourcing" the Seven: Seals, Trumpets, and Vials??

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The "GREAT TRIBULATION"........... is sourced by GOD.

 

Be careful not to Equivocate (Fallacy) between "tribulations" (little "t") with the "GREAT TRIBULATION".  

 

 

Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.  Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will."  Matthew 24:15-20

 

I haven't been able to find an all-caps great tribulation.  The one described above is the only one that ever will be.  The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of is associated with the abomination of desolation.  It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet.  It is not God's wrath.  Simple as that.

 

 

 

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I haven't been able to find an all-caps great tribulation.

 

 

Who said it was?

 

 

The one described above is the only one that ever will be.

 

 

Yes, I know

 

 

The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of is associated with the abomination of desolation.

 

 

It Starts or is "Kicked Off" by the Abomination of Desolation, to be more precise.

 

 

It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet.  It is not God's wrath.  Simple as that.

 

 

Scripture Support...?

 

 

Who is Sourcing this....

 

(Revelation 6:16-17) "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:  {17} For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

 

Who is "sourcing" the Seven: Seals, Trumpets, and Vials??

 

The "false prophet", or anyone else for that matter, can do absolutely nothing without the LORD giving them the power to do so.  SEE: The Book of JOB

 

 

Moreover, The False Prophet/Beast is locked in the Bottomless Pit.....

 

(Revelation 9:1-2) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.  {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

 

(Revelation 9:11) "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

 

(Revelation 11:7) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

 

He (the beast/false prophet) is not released until the 5th Trumpet.  Who is Directly Sourcing the Seal Judgments and the first 4 Trumpets?

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My comment related to the immediate posting above:

All of the days of the 70th week decreed for Israel are still pending

All of the time lapse will be the Lord's unrelenting judgment upon the earth of every imagination

.... the coming tribulation is the first part of the Day of the Lord spoken by His Bible prophets .... the next part will be His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

The scriptures do not support any other interpretation like the 1/2 week convention or the splitting of the Lord's wrath vs the Devil's wrath

Both of these ideas are bogus and have been concocted to support a pre-conceived post-tribulation return of the Lord and resurrection of the church just before one day of the Lord's "wrath" comes at the end of the 70th week

.... post-trib and mid-trib skewings are false teachings which are not supported by the prophetic scriptures

Both designed to refute the Lord's intent to call His true Ecclesia out before He brings His wrath and judgment upon the earth

It should be obvious to anyone who pays attention to the related scriptures of both the Bible prophets and Revelation that it is the Lord's wrath and judgment meted out upon an unbelieving world over a period of 2550 days

Then He will appear to the mortal survivors at the ending of the same

To think that He will sit on the sidelines in some far far away place in the universe during the very tribulation that He will bring is folly .... don't forget that He is omni- present even if no one can see Him .... He is here now, has always been, and will be during the tribulation period

All of the judgments upon the earth will come from Him and this should be apparent as one reads the details of Revelation's unfolding

And Satan is only His dupe that He will instigate in the process and then destroy him

This is very evident just by these scriptures alone .... there are scads of others

[Ezekiel 38: 39; Revelation 17:18-18; 20:1-3; 20:10]

If you don't get this truth .... you need to go back to your drawing board for further study

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The "GREAT TRIBULATION"........... is sourced by GOD.

 

Be careful not to Equivocate (Fallacy) between "tribulations" (little "t") with the "GREAT TRIBULATION".  

 

 

Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.  Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will."  Matthew 24:15-20

 

I haven't been able to find an all-caps great tribulation.  The one described above is the only one that ever will be.  The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of is associated with the abomination of desolation.  It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet.  It is not God's wrath.  Simple as that.

 

 

 

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I haven't been able to find an all-caps great tribulation.

 

 

Who said it was?

 

 

The one described above is the only one that ever will be.

 

 

Yes, I know

 

 

The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of is associated with the abomination of desolation.

 

 

It Starts or is "Kicked Off" by the Abomination of Desolation, to be more precise.

 

 

It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet.  It is not God's wrath.  Simple as that.

 

 

Scripture Support...?

 

 

Who is Sourcing this....

 

(Revelation 6:16-17) "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:  {17} For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

 

Who is "sourcing" the Seven: Seals, Trumpets, and Vials??

 

The "false prophet", or anyone else for that matter, can do absolutely nothing without the LORD giving them the power to do so.  SEE: The Book of JOB

 

 

Moreover, The False Prophet/Beast is locked in the Bottomless Pit.....

 

(Revelation 9:1-2) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.  {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

 

(Revelation 9:11) "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

 

(Revelation 11:7) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

 

He (the beast/false prophet) is not released until the 5th Trumpet.  Who is Directly Sourcing the Seal Judgments and the first 4 Trumpets?

 

 

Who is "sourcing" the Seven: Seals, Trumpets, and Vials??

 

Who is the source of everything that has been created?

 

Really not interested in word games and technicalities.  Have a nice day.

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Who is "sourcing" the Seven: Seals, Trumpets, and Vials??

 

Who is the source of everything that has been created?

 

Really not interested in word games and technicalities.  Have a nice day.

 

 

 

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Really not interested in word games and technicalities.

 

 

Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy)  To bring this out of the "Baseless" category, one usually adds: "As Shown By" or "As Evidenced By"......then the Specific Rationale.

 

Moreover, GOD'S WORD is Extremely Precise...so it behooves us to render it accordingly. 

 

 

Who is the source of everything that has been created?

 

 

Jesus Christ.

 

You said concerning the events of the Great Tribulation:

"It is not from God but is a time of persecution at the hand of the false prophet."

 

The Great Tribulation events are The events depicted in Book Of Revelation.  You are saying that the Cause of these events of the Great Tribulation are from the False Prophet and not GOD.

 

I simply showed that this was in error from a Big Picture view then specifically with...

 

 

(Revelation 9:1-2) "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.  {2} And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

(Revelation 9:11) "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

(Revelation 11:7) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

He (the beast/false prophet) is not released until the 5th Trumpet.  Who is Directly Sourcing the Seal Judgments and the first 4 Trumpets?

 

 

This isn't close to any Word Games whatsoever...just basic Scripture Reading and Reasoning.  

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It is the Lord who brings the judgments of Revelation upon the earth dwellers for unbelief and for refusing to believe the truth about Him [Psalms 2]

 

And because of this He will give them the devil's brew [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

 

He owns the scroll .... and He opens the scroll [Revelation 5:1-10]

 

And He is the one that executes all of the judgments of Revelation upon the earth dwellers who will hide from Him [Revelation 6:12-17]

 

Satan, his beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions. and his false prophet are but dupes in the Lord's hand

 

The Lord uses Satan and his rebel angels to punish the earth dwellers .... and then He will turn on the devil and hid minions and destroy in the lake of fire

 

The Lord's sword cuts both ways and He always succeeds in what He sets out to do

 

But just before He executes He will call His true Ecclesia out [Matthew 25:1-13;1 Thessalonians 5:1-9; Revelation 3:10]

 

It is those who become believers during the tribulation that will experience it [Revelation 6:9-11; 15:2-3; 20:4] [those beheaded]

 

And the same will have to wait for their resurrection at the end of the tribulation

 

Also, the purpose of the 7th week decreed for Israel during the tribulation [not the church] is to bring a believing remnant under His covenant with the nation [isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Daniel 9:24-27; Zechariah 13:8-9; Romans 11:25-36]

 

This process for Israel will begin with 144000 of the children of Israel who will then carry the gospel of the kingdom [Matthew 24:14], first to Israel, and then to the nations .... many will believe .... the Lord will personally protect and lead the 144000 in the process [Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-7]   

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Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation. 

 

That is very important point.  After Jesus was crusified by not for Himself, but the whole of mankind, Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed.

 

Daniel's 70th week notes that the daily sacrifices and offerings ends in the middle of the week.  The sacrifices and offerings ended in 70 AD.  It marks the middle of the seven year (one week) war called the Roman-Jewish war or Jewish Revolt.  Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire (with many) to squelch the Jewish uprising in 66 AD.  The war ended in 73 AD with the mass suicide of the last stand of Masada.   Titus decimated Jerusalem and the temple in the middle of that week, totally fulfilling Daniel 9:27

 

It amazes me that so many people ignore the fact that 70 AD pinpoints the fact that the sacrifices and offerings were ended.  Thus history shows total fulfillment of this verse.

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Shalom, boldncourageous.

 

 

 

 


 
Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation. 

 

That is very important point.  After Jesus was crusified by not for Himself, but the whole of mankind, Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed.

 

Daniel's 70th week notes that the daily sacrifices and offerings ends in the middle of the week.  The sacrifices and offerings ended in 70 AD.  It marks the middle of the seven year (one week) war called the Roman-Jewish war or Jewish Revolt.  Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire (with many) to squelch the Jewish uprising in 66 AD.  The war ended in 73 AD with the mass suicide of the last stand of Masada.   Titus decimated Jerusalem and the temple in the middle of that week, totally fulfilling Daniel 9:27

 

It amazes me that so many people ignore the fact that 70 AD pinpoints the fact that the sacrifices and offerings were ended.  Thus history shows total fulfillment of this verse.

 

 

You’re close. However, you’re off a little in your perspective of the Olivet Discourse and its fulfillment in an opposite way than the futurists are. Not all of the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century. First, we must understand Daniel 9:26-27:

 

The first thing one must understand is simple grammar, preferably from the Hebrew, since the passage was originally written in Hebrew, but in English as well.

 

Here’s the Hebrew transliterated:

 

Dani’el 9:26-27

26 V’achareey hashaaVu`iym shishiym uwshnayim yikaareet Maashiyach v’eeyn low vhaa`iyr vhaqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa’ vqitsow basheTef v`ad qeets milchaamaah necheretset shomeemowt:
27 Vhigbiyr briyt laarabiym shaaVuwa` echaad vachatsiy hashaaVuwa` yashbiyt zeVach uwminchaah v`al knaf shiquwtsiym mshomeem v`ad kaalaah vnecheraatsaah titakh `al shomeem:

JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH

 

In verse 26, notice that the highlighted phrase consists of two nouns put back-to-back. The Hebrew word “`am” means “people.” The Hebrew word “naagiyd” means “prince.” When we translate into English, this pair of nouns, called a “noun construct state” in Hebrew, has the word “of” added between them: “people of prince.” For clarity, we might also add the definite article (although it is not present in the original): “[the] people of [the] prince.” In such a phrase, both in Hebrew and in the English translation, the first word “people” is the noun that may be part of the sentence grammar directly, participating in the activity of the verb as the subject, direct object, or the indirect object. The second noun is subordinate to the first in Hebrew and an object of the preposition “of” in English. In BOTH languages, the second noun cannot participate in the sentence grammar directly. In English, as a prepositional phrase, “of [the] prince,” the whole phrase is treated as an adjective or an adverb, describing a noun or the verb that does participate in the grammar. In this particular sentence, the phrase answers “WHICH people?” Thus, it is an adjective phrase that describes “people."

 

The ONLY active singular noun that has participated in the sentence grammar directly and refers to a single person has been “Maashiyach” or “[the] Messiah.” Thus, the verbs (which imply the pronoun “he”) that follow must refer back to “Maashiyach,” NOT to “naagiyd!” This is particularly true for subsequent “sentences” which give no subject noun, as those in verse 27! Therefore, the “he” found in verse 27 (all locations) MUST refer back to “Maashiyach!"

 

So, when we read (in translation),

 

Daniel 9:26-27

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

 

the instances of “he” in verse 27 refer to “Messiah” in verse 26.

 

Now, the word “confirm” in verse 27 is the Hebrew word “Vhigbiyr,” translated fully to “And-he-shall-confirm,” the leading vav, “V-,” being the connective “And.” The rest comes from the Hebrew word “gaaVar”:

 

OT:1396 gaaVar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevailact insolently:

KJV - exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

 

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

[As is typical with Strong’s, the “bet” (Hebrew letter equivalent to our “b”), missing the dagesh (the middle dot), is really the Hebrew letter “vet” (the Hebrew letter equivalent to our “v”), and is pronounced as a “v” in “victory.” Hence, I transliterate it as a “V.”]

 

In Hebrew, this is the verb that is applied to the direct object noun, “briyt,” meaning “a covenant." In English, the active verb form of “strong” (an adjective) is “to strengthen.” Therefore, the word could also be translated “And-he-shall-strengthen.” However, using a Roget’s Thesaurus, one can find that “strengthening” an agreement, such as a “covenant,” can be the English word to "ratify” a covenant, meaning to “substantiate” the agreement.

 

It does NOT mean to “MAKE” a covenant! It means to “STRENGTHEN” an already existing covenant!

 

So, the conclusion is that verse 27 says:

 

1. MESSIAH shall strengthen a covenant with many for one Seven;

2. In the midst (middle) of the Seven MESSIAH shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and

3. For the overspreading of abominations MESSIAH shall make it (the city or the sanctuary) desolate, even until the consummation (conclusion).

 

And, those “abominations” are not HIS “abominations," obviously!

 

Furthermore, we are also given the additional information...

3a. That determined (decided; decreed) shall be poured upon the desolate (NOT the “desolator!”).

 

The “desolate” are those upon whom the “desolation” comes or those who are made “desolate."

 

These points are CONFIRMED in Scripture!

 

1. This is the longest to describe for sheer volume of Scripture passages: 1 Samuel 13:1416:12-132 Samuel 2:4115:1-57:5-16 (although it could be the WHOLE chapter 7); 1 Chronicles 11:1-317:7-14Psalm 89:3-420-37 (although, again, it is the WHOLE psalm - the WHOLE song). David (pronounced “Dah-VEED,” btw), Yeshua`s ancestor and the original king of his dynasty, was the first “King of the Jews.” He reigned in Hevrown (Hebron) for a little more than 7 years before he conquered Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) from haYvuwciym (the Jebusites) and was anointed king over Isra’el by the rest of the tribes’ leaders. The leaders of his own tribe came to HIM and anointed HIM to be their king before the rest of Isra’el “got over” Sha`uwl’s (Saul’s) dynasty. Being anointed, he was an "anointed one” - a “maashiyach” - a “messiah” - a “christos” - a “christ" - the same as his greater grandson, Yeshua`, whom people today call “Jesus [the] Christ.” It was THIS Davidic covenant which God made with David which the Messiah Yeshua` CONFIRMED and RATIFIED simply by “fulfilling all righteousness” and humbling Himself to be immersed by Yochanan (Matthew 3:13-17). Thus, Yeshua` was called “the Son of God” in the ears of others, and was anointed by the Ruach haQodesh, the Holy Spirit, of God, in fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, namely that David’s descendant would “call God his Father, and God would call Him His Son!” (See also Psalm 2:1-12.)

1 Chronicles 17:7-14

7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:

8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.

9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,

10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the LORD will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
KJV

 

1 Chronicles 22:8-10

8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.

9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
KJV

 

1 Chronicles 28:2-7

2 Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: As for me, I had in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building:

3 But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

4 Howbeit the LORD God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel:

5 And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.

6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.

Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.
KJV

 

Isaiah 55:1-4

1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
KJV

 

Jeremiah 33:19-22

19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
KJV

 

David is one of the few names that are mentioned in both lineages of the Messiah (Matt. 1 and Luke 3), and Yeshua` is the ONE Person argued by Mattityahu (Matthew) to be the rightful Heir to David’s throne! So, when the Scriptures tell us that David passed on His covenant to His children and grandchildren through Shlomoh (Solomon), that it took David seven and a half years to be anointed king over Isra’el, and that God would call David’s “seed” His Son, it should take Yeshua` LESS time - seven years - the one Seven - to be anointed king over Isra’el, that is, with a FAITHFULgeneration, not the faithless ones who rejected Him and crucified Him at His first coming. Notice one of the six reasons for the final 70 Sevens:

 

Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

 

To anoint, not the PLACE, but the PERSON, the “most Holy!"

 

2. The Messiah caused the sacrifice and the oblation (the gift) to cease:

 

Hebrews 10:1-22

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting (anticipating) till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water (baptism).
KJV

 

Matthew 27:50-53

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
KJV

 

Mark 15:37-38

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
KJV

 

Luke 23:44-46

44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
KJV

 

Oh, sure. While there was still a Temple for the next 40 years of testing, they still made animal sacrifices, but GOD was no longer accepting those slaughters as true sacrifices! Yeshua` was the ONE AND ONLY SACRIFICE from that moment on! There’s even the report that, following Yeshua`s death, no longer would the scarlet thread tied about the scape goat sacrifice on the Day of Atonement turn from red to white, signifying God’s acceptance of the sacrifice!

 

3. For the overspreading of abominations THE MESSIAH made it desolate, even until the consummation (conclusion):

 

Matthew 23:1-39

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying,
 The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate!
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

KJV

 

And so, they’ve been left desolate ever since until this day! Yeshua` gave a sampling of all their abominations against God and Himself; then, He pronounced them “DESOLATE” until the end - until they can say, “Baruwkh haha’ b-shem YHWH.” (See Psalm 118:26.) That’s Hebrew for “Welcome, Comer in the Name of - in the authority of - YHWH,” finally recognizing Yeshua` as GOD’S Anointed One - GOD'S Messiah! For almost 2,000 years now, that decided against them has been poured out on them, and it will continue to be poured on them until the conclusion - the consummation - when they finally knuckle under and say, “UNCLE! We give up! We want what the Christians have! We want our Messiah back, and we will welcome Him when He comes!” THEN Yeshua` will return and pick up where He left off with a new generation!

 

See, HE put the gap in the middle of the Seven! When He left them desolate and ended the sacrifice, HE postponed the second half of the Seven until His people knuckled under! He offered them His Kingdom BEFORE He was crucified, and He will offer them His Kingdom AFTER He returns! We’ve been LIVING in the “Great Tribulation,” THEIR “horrific pressure," sandwiched between for the last two millennia!

 

Christians have put FAR too much emphasis on a “seven-year period” and an “antichrist!” That is NOT who is seen in Daniel 9:26-27! That “prince” was Titus who DID come ... in the first century! The people of that “prince,” the Romans, particularly the Roman soldiers, burned and tore the Temple apart, stone by stone, until there was nothing left standing! Thus, ANY and EVERY theory based on seeing an “antichrist” in Daniel 9:24-27 should be discarded!

 

What Yeshua` was talking about in His "Olivet Discourse” (Matthew 24, 25; Mark 13; and Luke 21) was the ultimate result of those “abominations that led to desolation” - the “abomination OF the desolation,” namely the desecration of the Temple, the most terrifying and horrible abomination of all to a Jew!

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Shalom, boldncourageous.

 

 

 

 

 
Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation. 

 

That is very important point.  After Jesus was crusified by not for Himself, but the whole of mankind, Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed.

 

Daniel's 70th week notes that the daily sacrifices and offerings ends in the middle of the week.  The sacrifices and offerings ended in 70 AD.  It marks the middle of the seven year (one week) war called the Roman-Jewish war or Jewish Revolt.  Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire (with many) to squelch the Jewish uprising in 66 AD.  The war ended in 73 AD with the mass suicide of the last stand of Masada.   Titus decimated Jerusalem and the temple in the middle of that week, totally fulfilling Daniel 9:27

 

It amazes me that so many people ignore the fact that 70 AD pinpoints the fact that the sacrifices and offerings were ended.  Thus history shows total fulfillment of this verse.

 

 

You’re close. However, you’re off a little in your perspective of the Olivet Discourse and its fulfillment in an opposite way than the futurists are. Not all of the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century. First, we must understand Daniel 9:26-27:

 

The first thing one must understand is simple grammar, preferably from the Hebrew, since the passage was originally written in Hebrew, but in English as well.

 

Here’s the Hebrew transliterated:

 

Dani’el 9:26-27

26 V’achareey hashaaVu`iym shishiym uwshnayim yikaareet Maashiyach v’eeyn low vhaa`iyr vhaqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa’ vqitsow basheTef v`ad qeets milchaamaah necheretset shomeemowt:

27 Vhigbiyr briyt laarabiym shaaVuwa` echaad vachatsiy hashaaVuwa` yashbiyt zeVach uwminchaah v`al knaf shiquwtsiym mshomeem v`ad kaalaah vnecheraatsaah titakh `al shomeem:

JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH

 

In verse 26, notice that the highlighted phrase consists of two nouns put back-to-back. The Hebrew word “`am” means “people.” The Hebrew word “naagiyd” means “prince.” When we translate into English, this pair of nouns, called a “noun construct state” in Hebrew, has the word “of” added between them: “people of prince.” For clarity, we might also add the definite article (although it is not present in the original): “[the] people of [the] prince.” In such a phrase, both in Hebrew and in the English translation, the first word “people” is the noun that may be part of the sentence grammar directly, participating in the activity of the verb as the subject, direct object, or the indirect object. The second noun is subordinate to the first in Hebrew and an object of the preposition “of” in English. In BOTH languages, the second noun cannot participate in the sentence grammar directly. In English, as a prepositional phrase, “of [the] prince,” the whole phrase is treated as an adjective or an adverb, describing a noun or the verb that does participate in the grammar. In this particular sentence, the phrase answers “WHICH people?” Thus, it is an adjective phrase that describes “people."

 

The ONLY active singular noun that has participated in the sentence grammar directly and refers to a single person has been “Maashiyach” or “[the] Messiah.” Thus, the verbs (which imply the pronoun “he”) that follow must refer back to “Maashiyach,” NOT to “naagiyd!” This is particularly true for subsequent “sentences” which give no subject noun, as those in verse 27! Therefore, the “he” found in verse 27 (all locations) MUST refer back to “Maashiyach!"

 

So, when we read (in translation),

 

Daniel 9:26-27

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

KJV

 

the instances of “he” in verse 27 refer to “Messiah” in verse 26.

 

Now, the word “confirm” in verse 27 is the Hebrew word “Vhigbiyr,” translated fully to “And-he-shall-confirm,” the leading vav, “V-,” being the connective “And.” The rest comes from the Hebrew word “gaaVar”:

 

OT:1396 gaaVar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevailact insolently:

KJV - exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

 

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

[As is typical with Strong’s, the “bet” (Hebrew letter equivalent to our “b”), missing the dagesh (the middle dot), is really the Hebrew letter “vet” (the Hebrew letter equivalent to our “v”), and is pronounced as a “v” in “victory.” Hence, I transliterate it as a “V.”]

 

In Hebrew, this is the verb that is applied to the direct object noun, “briyt,” meaning “a covenant." In English, the active verb form of “strong” (an adjective) is “to strengthen.” Therefore, the word could also be translated “And-he-shall-strengthen.” However, using a Roget’s Thesaurus, one can find that “strengthening” an agreement, such as a “covenant,” can be the English word to "ratify” a covenant, meaning to “substantiate” the agreement.

 

It does NOT mean to “MAKE” a covenant! It means to “STRENGTHEN” an already existing covenant!

 

So, the conclusion is that verse 27 says:

 

1. MESSIAH shall strengthen a covenant with many for one Seven;

2. In the midst (middle) of the Seven MESSIAH shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and

3. For the overspreading of abominations MESSIAH shall make it (the city or the sanctuary) desolate, even until the consummation (conclusion).

 

And, those “abominations” are not HIS “abominations," obviously!

 

Furthermore, we are also given the additional information...

3a. That determined (decided; decreed) shall be poured upon the desolate (NOT the “desolator!”).

 

The “desolate” are those upon whom the “desolation” comes or those who are made “desolate."

 

These points are CONFIRMED in Scripture!

 

1. This is the longest to describe for sheer volume of Scripture passages: 1 Samuel 13:1416:12-132 Samuel 2:4115:1-57:5-16 (although it could be the WHOLE chapter 7); 1 Chronicles 11:1-317:7-14Psalm 89:3-420-37 (although, again, it is the WHOLE psalm - the WHOLE song). David (pronounced “Dah-VEED,” btw), Yeshua`s ancestor and the original king of his dynasty, was the first “King of the Jews.” He reigned in Hevrown (Hebron) for a little more than 7 years before he conquered Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) from haYvuwciym (the Jebusites) and was anointed king over Isra’el by the rest of the tribes’ leaders. The leaders of his own tribe came to HIM and anointed HIM to be their king before the rest of Isra’el “got over” Sha`uwl’s (Saul’s) dynasty. Being anointed, he was an "anointed one” - a “maashiyach” - a “messiah” - a “christos” - a “christ" - the same as his greater grandson, Yeshua`, whom people today call “Jesus [the] Christ.” It was THIS Davidic covenant which God made with David which the Messiah Yeshua` CONFIRMED and RATIFIED simply by “fulfilling all righteousness” and humbling Himself to be immersed by Yochanan (Matthew 3:13-17). Thus, Yeshua` was called “the Son of God” in the ears of others, and was anointed by the Ruach haQodesh, the Holy Spirit, of God, in fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, namely that David’s descendant would “call God his Father, and God would call Him His Son!” (See also Psalm 2:1-12.)

1 Chronicles 17:7-14

7 Now therefore thus shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, even from following the sheep, that thou shouldest be ruler over my people Israel:

8 And I have been with thee whithersoever thou hast walked, and have cut off all thine enemies from before thee, and have made thee a name like the name of the great men that are in the earth.

9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning,

10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the LORD will build thee an house.

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:

14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

KJV

 

1 Chronicles 22:8-10

8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.

9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

KJV

 

1 Chronicles 28:2-7

2 Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: As for me, I had in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building:

3 But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

4 Howbeit the LORD God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel:

5 And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.

6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.

Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.

KJV

 

Isaiah 55:1-4

1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

KJV

 

Jeremiah 33:19-22

19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

KJV

 

David is one of the few names that are mentioned in both lineages of the Messiah (Matt. 1 and Luke 3), and Yeshua` is the ONE Person argued by Mattityahu (Matthew) to be the rightful Heir to David’s throne! So, when the Scriptures tell us that David passed on His covenant to His children and grandchildren through Shlomoh (Solomon), that it took David seven and a half years to be anointed king over Isra’el, and that God would call David’s “seed” His Son, it should take Yeshua` LESS time - seven years - the one Seven - to be anointed king over Isra’el, that is, with a FAITHFULgeneration, not the faithless ones who rejected Him and crucified Him at His first coming. Notice one of the six reasons for the final 70 Sevens:

 

Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

KJV

 

To anoint, not the PLACE, but the PERSON, the “most Holy!"

 

2. The Messiah caused the sacrifice and the oblation (the gift) to cease:

 

Hebrews 10:1-22

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting (anticipating) till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, THERE IS NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water (baptism).

KJV

 

Matthew 27:50-53

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

KJV

 

Mark 15:37-38

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

KJV

 

Luke 23:44-46

44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

KJV

 

Oh, sure. While there was still a Temple for the next 40 years of testing, they still made animal sacrifices, but GOD was no longer accepting those slaughters as true sacrifices! Yeshua` was the ONE AND ONLY SACRIFICE from that moment on! There’s even the report that, following Yeshua`s death, no longer would the scarlet thread tied about the scape goat sacrifice on the Day of Atonement turn from red to white, signifying God’s acceptance of the sacrifice!

 

3. For the overspreading of abominations THE MESSIAH made it desolate, even until the consummation (conclusion):

 

Matthew 23:1-39

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate!

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

KJV

 

And so, they’ve been left desolate ever since until this day! Yeshua` gave a sampling of all their abominations against God and Himself; then, He pronounced them “DESOLATE” until the end - until they can say, “Baruwkh haha’ b-shem YHWH.” (See Psalm 118:26.) That’s Hebrew for “Welcome, Comer in the Name of - in the authority of - YHWH,” finally recognizing Yeshua` as GOD’S Anointed One - GOD'S Messiah! For almost 2,000 years now, that decided against them has been poured out on them, and it will continue to be poured on them until the conclusion - the consummation - when they finally knuckle under and say, “UNCLE! We give up! We want what the Christians have! We want our Messiah back, and we will welcome Him when He comes!” THEN Yeshua` will return and pick up where He left off with a new generation!

 

See, HE put the gap in the middle of the Seven! When He left them desolate and ended the sacrifice, HE postponed the second half of the Seven until His people knuckled under! He offered them His Kingdom BEFORE He was crucified, and He will offer them His Kingdom AFTER He returns! We’ve been LIVING in the “Great Tribulation,” THEIR “horrific pressure," sandwiched between for the last two millennia!

 

Christians have put FAR too much emphasis on a “seven-year period” and an “antichrist!” That is NOT who is seen in Daniel 9:26-27! That “prince” was Titus who DID come ... in the first century! The people of that “prince,” the Romans, particularly the Roman soldiers, burned and tore the Temple apart, stone by stone, until there was nothing left standing! Thus, ANY and EVERY theory based on seeing an “antichrist” in Daniel 9:24-27 should be discarded!

 

What Yeshua` was talking about in His "Olivet Discourse” (Matthew 24, 25; Mark 13; and Luke 21) was the ultimate result of those “abominations that led to desolation” - the “abomination OF the desolation,” namely the desecration of the Temple, the most terrifying and horrible abomination of all to a Jew!

Okay, attempting to follow you, without my head swimming. 

 

Are you stating that the 70th week is past, but the abomination of desolation is yet to come?

 

The abomination of desolation is clearly the same event as Titus starting the Jewish Diaspora from 66 to 1948.

 

If the time of Jacob's trouble were the great tribulation then we would find the events of the great tribulation in Jeremiah's 2 chapter prophesy that start with that time.  Instead we find the Jewish diaspora where they are scattered to the ends of the Earth.  Gathered in Jer. 31:8.  Ezek. 37:21-25, as well as Is. and amos informs us that Israel will not be scattered again after she is gathered.  She was gathered in 1948.

 

Daniel 12:1 tells us... "at that time..."  time of the Roman empire... including the "Glorious land", but not Moab, Ammon, and Edom. Dan. 11:40,41. 

 

therefore the abomination of desolation in Matt. 24:15-21 speaks of this time as well.  Afther all that was the question that the disciples asked Him in Mark 13:4, Luke 21:8, and Matt. 24:3.  Most views totally ignore the fact that the question was even asked and believe the Olivet Discourse to be entirely "time of the end."

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