other one Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,170 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,897 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I just read this in the news: Just last week, a post on a top jihadi forum urged American Muslims who can't reach the battlefront to wage "an aggressive and sustained campaign of lone-wolf attacks" locally, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. As well, there are worries that fighters with U.S. passports will return home to carry out attacks in America or with airplanes headed to the U.S. I am curious. How should america address this at home? Its not only foreign born muslims who are a thread. How do we deal with american born, american citizen muslims who are a threat? How can we stop the violence before it happens without attacking isis in the middle east? Cancel their passports and don't let them back in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,170 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,897 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I just read this in the news: Just last week, a post on a top jihadi forum urged American Muslims who can't reach the battlefront to wage "an aggressive and sustained campaign of lone-wolf attacks" locally, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. As well, there are worries that fighters with U.S. passports will return home to carry out attacks in America or with airplanes headed to the U.S. I am curious. How should america address this at home? Its not only foreign born muslims who are a thread. How do we deal with american born, american citizen muslims who are a threat? How can we stop the violence before it happens without attacking isis in the middle east? This may shed some light on things. Why would someone join a militia of any sort, or engage in some kind of series of criminal activities in the first place? Is there some sort of set of circumstances that make it more likely? As a follow up to that; How do you address those circumstances so as to prevent someone from wanting to pick up a weapon and fight in the first place? burn every copy of the Koran in the world... ban the preaching of Islam. For Islam is the core of the problem. And before you tell me that I don't know what I am talking about you might consider that the head of ISIL has a doctorate degree in Islamic Studies..... and he agrees with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,170 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,897 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I believe in genocide. Since that is not an option, we should attack Jihad with books instead of bombs. Tell the world the true history of Muhammad. He was a schizophrenic, murdering-thief and his followers supported themselves as caravan raiders (a group of murdering thieves). Numerous times in their Lord of Flies book (Qur'an) he states that he was not possessed. His family believed he was possessed and even Muhammad believed he might be possessed by a Jinn. Why did he and others believe he might be possessed? Have you ever witnessed a schizophrenic talking with himself? They sound possessed. But they claim Muhammad was having ecstatic trances. The Qur'an is a collection of the mumblings of a schizophrenic. No prophet was he! And he certainly is not the last liar claiming to being a prophet from God ie. Joseph Smith. As our Messiah stated, Satan is the father of all lies. So that makes the deceiver the author of the Qur'an and the Book of Mormon. Bomb them with books not bombs. get real.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2014 How does one go to war against an ideology? They are not a country with boundaries. This would take us to where ever they are and place us in danger with harming relations with other countries. What needs to be done is to build the security at home so they are found and removed before they cause harm. Possibly by recording/storing all voice call data, Cameras/microphones every where, recording all internet sites one may visit even comments made online. This a couple things one would use , I think. If it were up to me, I would begin profiling everyone connected to any Islamic organization. This would quickly separate the innocent from the questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning_Ember Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,009 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2014 hmmm, BE, i don't recall him accusing YOU of having said that. don't take generalizations so personally. I posed the question as to why people join militia/terrorist groups, shiloh talking about why liberals are terrorist sympathizers. That doesn't really further the discussion. Keeping the subject on why people would join such an organization does. Onelight, there are plenty of american citizens who support isis. How do you propose getting rid of them? If they decide to start killing innocent people, since we cannot send them "back home", lock them up for the rest of their lives. They need to be dealt with in a strong manner, or they will just continue to do as they please. What do you suggest, AJ? How would you try to resolve the issue? I already mentioned that I was at a loss. The only option they would understand is brute force and Im reluctant to do that, Yet I do not want to see violence here. The only real long term solution is to create stability in Iraq and Syria so that ISIS doesn't have a power vacuum to take advantage of. As for Iraq, that power vacuum was formed when Saddam was removed from power. One huge step in the right direction would be to apply as much pressure as possible to make sure both Sunni and Shia Muslims are allowed to be in government. Another would be to get as many other governments in the area to focus on improving quality of life, security, and anti-terrorism measures. A ground war would be one of the worst options. yes, you asked why americans were joining isis. he answered your question. because liberals are frequently terrorist sympathizers. that IS an answer to your question, but it was NOT a direct attack on you. I asked why someone would join any militia/terrorist group, not just ISIS. If you can understand why someone would join a terrorist group, then perhaps you can take preventative measures to make sure that doesn't happen. Even if the idea that liberals were terrorist sympathizers was remotely true, it doesn't address how that's supposed to stop ISIS in Iraq, or stop people in America from joining ISIS. I just read this in the news: Just last week, a post on a top jihadi forum urged American Muslims who can't reach the battlefront to wage "an aggressive and sustained campaign of lone-wolf attacks" locally, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. As well, there are worries that fighters with U.S. passports will return home to carry out attacks in America or with airplanes headed to the U.S. I am curious. How should america address this at home? Its not only foreign born muslims who are a thread. How do we deal with american born, american citizen muslims who are a threat? How can we stop the violence before it happens without attacking isis in the middle east? This may shed some light on things. Why would someone join a militia of any sort, or engage in some kind of series of criminal activities in the first place? Is there some sort of set of circumstances that make it more likely? As a follow up to that; How do you address those circumstances so as to prevent someone from wanting to pick up a weapon and fight in the first place? burn every copy of the Koran in the world... ban the preaching of Islam. For Islam is the core of the problem. And before you tell me that I don't know what I am talking about you might consider that the head of ISIL has a doctorate degree in Islamic Studies..... and he agrees with me. What do you think would happen if someone outlawed The Bible in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 it is true. while not every liberal will join a terrorist group, every american who has joined a terrorist group has been of a liberal mindset. name one conservative or conservative ideologue who ever joined a terrorist group. facts are facts... and they are headlining every newspaper in this country today. liberals sympathize with the enemy. conservatives do not. and it is about any terrorist group, you're right. it's not exclusive to isis, that's just the current cause. but we can't stop people with a liberal mindset from joining these groups. it's their idealogy. they believe the US is unjust and that the terrorist groups are justified in their retaliatory or aggressive measures. we can't change THEIR core beliefs any more than they can change ours. the only preventative measure is to physically disable them from accomplishing their goals, whether by imprisonment (in the case of isolated individuals) or through military force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted September 21, 2014 How does one go to war against an ideology? They are not a country with boundaries. This would take us to where ever they are and place us in danger with harming relations with other countries. What needs to be done is to build the security at home so they are found and removed before they cause harm. Possibly by recording/storing all voice call data, Cameras/microphones every where, recording all internet sites one may visit even comments made online. This a couple things one would use , I think. If it were up to me, I would begin profiling everyone connected to any Islamic organization. This would quickly separate the innocent from the questionable. I would too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning_Ember Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,009 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 100 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2014 it is true. while not every liberal will join a terrorist group, every american who has joined a terrorist group has been of a liberal mindset. name one conservative or conservative ideologue who ever joined a terrorist group. facts are facts... and they are headlining every newspaper in this country today. liberals sympathize with the enemy. conservatives do not. and it is about any terrorist group, you're right. it's not exclusive to isis, that's just the current cause. but we can't stop people with a liberal mindset from joining these groups. it's their idealogy. they believe the US is unjust and that the terrorist groups are justified in their retaliatory or aggressive measures. we can't change THEIR core beliefs any more than they can change ours. the only preventative measure is to physically disable them from accomplishing their goals, whether by imprisonment (in the case of isolated individuals) or through military force. Eric Rudolph stated the reasons that his bombing at the 1996 Olympic Games was because it was a gathering of global socialism. Timothy McVeigh is another, who was reprimanded by the military when he was in it for buying a t-shirt at a KKK rally. The Wisconsin Sikh Temple Massacre was carried out by a Neo-Nazi who apparently can't tell the difference between someone who is Sikh and someone who is Muslim... Jim David Adkisson committed a massacre in Knoxville, saying he had targeted the church because of how liberal it was. Every abortion clinic firebombing/shooting. Liberals don't bomb abortion clinics. Those would be the examples I can think up off the top of my head. Liberals tend to be advocates of universal healthcare and tolerance and acceptance and understanding, terrorism really conflicts with those things. Terrorism has a lot more to do with extremist beliefs than it does political ideology. There will be people who engage in terrorism of virtually all political/religious affiliations. The most liberal people I know do things like work/volunteer for charity organizations that sign you up do donate to alleviate poverty by sponsoring kids in foreign countries, or are animal rights activists who engage in peaceful protest/political action, or try to convince people to go vegan, or hold events donating towards doctors without borders, or work on donations for humanitarian aid for people in Syria or Iraq or Palestine or another area with high poverty and high rates of conflict. They tend to be the biggest hippies/peaceniks I've seen in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coheir Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,458 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 729 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1950 Share Posted September 21, 2014 http://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/federal-government-lists-evangelical-christianity-as-a-top-terrorist-threat/ guess who is above ISIS on the U.S. terrorist list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted September 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted September 21, 2014 http://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/federal-government-lists-evangelical-christianity-as-a-top-terrorist-threat/ guess who is above ISIS on the U.S. terrorist list What? That's unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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