Should we declare war against ISIL or any of the terrorist groups

[coheir]

 

 

the current islamic population in the US is less then 1%. just thought id point that out. Also though we were already at war with terrorism. . .in any case Im not to worried about whether my insurance covers terrorism. From what ive seen overseas-if a terrorist attacks my home (unlikely) Im either going to be dead or he is. . .

unless you are at work....   or on vacation...

 

I somehow sincerely doubt a muslim terrorist is going to blow up an empty house. In fact I doubt theyre going to blow up a house at all. like I said less then 1% of the US population is muslim-even less of that, are extremists, and theyre far more likely to go after things that you know, might actually create terror, like parades, parks, hospitals. . .not someones home thats just a waste. IF we had a larger muslim population, and I mean a FAR larger population, I maybe worried, but as it is, 1% isnt going to waste time on homes. As far as foreign muslims coming in-again, unlikely to hit a home. why? because in order to actually create terror doing that youd have to hit a LOT of homes. That is a lot of manpower and resources that a foreign group would have to smuggle in here, to do it, and even with our open borders, it would be difficult to do. It would be far better and more efficient-to hit places like malls, hospitals, parades, etc. You use less resources-and create more panic. I mean serious, you blow up a house? neighbors on all sides go out and buy high tech cameras and AR-15s. Blow up a parade float? everyone stays home.

 

i agree they normally would not attack a house. They would rather take out the electric grid so that thousands of people will do without; now days one can not buy anything without the use of electricity. at the point where a county or several county's are with out electric then comes the criminals

to take from the ones that have something stored up or are just waiting for electric to come back on.

[Guest LadyC]

nothing on those two links provided me any direct proof that we (evangelical christians) are the number one (or even number 100) on the list of enemies of the state.

 

i'm not saying we're not, i would just like to see it in black and white, ya know? i do believe that the government views us as enemies.... but that's my speculation. and until i see it in a government document, it's really just speculation or exaggeration by other organizations. i want to hear it straight from the donkey's mouth, so to speak.

[coheir]

nothing on those two links provided me any direct proof that we (evangelical christians) are the number one (or even number 100) on the list of enemies of the state.

 

i'm not saying we're not, i would just like to see it in black and white, ya know? i do believe that the government views us as enemies.... but that's my speculation. and until i see it in a government document, it's really just speculation or exaggeration by other organizations. i want to hear it straight from the donkey's mouth, so to speak.

then i failed you sorry

so  something like this is not sound

http://joemiller.us/2013/04/101st-battalion-commanders-outrageous-e-mail-to-subordinates-characterizing-traditionalists-as-haters/

[Guest LadyC]

coheir, that's definitely closer. but what i'm looking for is something that is actually from the government itself. we don't know where joe miller obtained this email, so we can't verify it's authenticity. also, just because an army commander sent it out doesn't mean that it came from the top of the government. in fact, if this was something that was being impressed upon all troops in the military and had come from the top, we'd have heard about it from more than one senator. since a large percentage of our military is conservative, they'd be squealing like stuck pigs if this is a command that is wide-spread. 

 

and since my daughter and son-in-law are military and really want to see a regime change in our government, i'd have heard about it the day such an order was issued.

 

i'm sorry, i'm not trying to make it sound like you've failed... i just would like to see definitive proof that our government has issued such a declaration. again, i know that they don't like evangelical christians, and i know they have launched a perceived war against us by way of denigrating us in the press and stuff, but that's not the same as issuing a declaration that we're a bigger threat to national security than terrorism.

[coheir]

coheir, that's definitely closer. but what i'm looking for is something that is actually from the government itself. we don't know where joe miller obtained this email, so we can't verify it's authenticity. also, just because an army commander sent it out doesn't mean that it came from the top of the government. in fact, if this was something that was being impressed upon all troops in the military and had come from the top, we'd have heard about it from more than one senator. since a large percentage of our military is conservative, they'd be squealing like stuck pigs if this is a command that is wide-spread. 

 

and since my daughter and son-in-law are military and really want to see a regime change in our government, i'd have heard about it the day such an order was issued.

 

i'm sorry, i'm not trying to make it sound like you've failed... i just would like to see definitive proof that our government has issued such a declaration. again, i know that they don't like evangelical christians, and i know they have launched a perceived war against us by way of denigrating us in the press and stuff, but that's not the same as issuing a declaration that we're a bigger threat to national security than terrorism.

Iill look around some more

I dont believe Christians are more of or bigger threat but I believe they are on the radar of the Dems

[ayin jade]

 

I just read this in the news:

 

 

 

 

Just last week, a post on a top jihadi forum urged American Muslims who can't reach the battlefront to wage "an aggressive and sustained campaign of lone-wolf attacks" locally, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. As well, there are worries that fighters with U.S. passports will return home to carry out attacks in America or with airplanes headed to the U.S.

 

 

I am curious. How should america address this at home? Its not only foreign born muslims who are a thread. How do we deal with american born, american citizen muslims who are a threat? How can we stop the violence before it happens without attacking isis in the middle east?

Cancel their passports and don't let them back in the country.

 

 

What about those within this country already who are sympathetic to isis?

[ayin jade]

 

 

How does one go to war against an ideology?  They are not a country with boundaries.  This would take us to where ever they are and place us in danger with harming relations with other countries.  What needs to be done is to build the security at home so they are found and removed before they cause harm.

Possibly by recording/storing  all voice call data, Cameras/microphones every where, recording all internet sites one may visit even comments made online.  This a couple things one would use , I think.

 

 

If it were up to me, I would begin profiling everyone connected to any Islamic organization.  This would quickly separate the innocent from the questionable.

 

 

If only we could. 

 

But the lawyers and the politicians wont permit it.

[ayin jade]

 

 

The most liberal people I know do things like work/volunteer for charity organizations that sign you up do donate to alleviate poverty by sponsoring kids in foreign countries, or are animal rights activists who engage in peaceful protest/political action, or try to convince people to go vegan, or hold events donating towards doctors without borders, or work on donations for humanitarian aid for people in Syria or Iraq or Palestine or another area with high poverty and high rates of conflict. They tend to be the biggest hippies/peaceniks I've seen in my life.

 

 

Ive seen a lot of die hard conservatives do the same thing. 

[Guest LadyC]

 

coheir, that's definitely closer. but what i'm looking for is something that is actually from the government itself. we don't know where joe miller obtained this email, so we can't verify it's authenticity. also, just because an army commander sent it out doesn't mean that it came from the top of the government. in fact, if this was something that was being impressed upon all troops in the military and had come from the top, we'd have heard about it from more than one senator. since a large percentage of our military is conservative, they'd be squealing like stuck pigs if this is a command that is wide-spread. 

 

and since my daughter and son-in-law are military and really want to see a regime change in our government, i'd have heard about it the day such an order was issued.

 

i'm sorry, i'm not trying to make it sound like you've failed... i just would like to see definitive proof that our government has issued such a declaration. again, i know that they don't like evangelical christians, and i know they have launched a perceived war against us by way of denigrating us in the press and stuff, but that's not the same as issuing a declaration that we're a bigger threat to national security than terrorism.

Iill look around some more

I dont believe Christians are more of or bigger threat but I believe they are on the radar of the Dems

 

 

yeah, i agree with that. 

[Guest LadyC]

 

 

 

The most liberal people I know do things like work/volunteer for charity organizations that sign you up do donate to alleviate poverty by sponsoring kids in foreign countries, or are animal rights activists who engage in peaceful protest/political action, or try to convince people to go vegan, or hold events donating towards doctors without borders, or work on donations for humanitarian aid for people in Syria or Iraq or Palestine or another area with high poverty and high rates of conflict. They tend to be the biggest hippies/peaceniks I've seen in my life.

 

 

Ive seen a lot of die hard conservatives do the same thing. 

 

 

i've seen more conservatives actually get involved than liberals. i hear liberals talk about it a lot, but to date, have only ever met one who actually did something.

 

of course, i'm talking about physically getting involved. lots of liberals donate to various charities. but volunteering? like i said, i've only ever met one.