Montana Marv Posted October 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted October 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2014 Now fellas, God has His purposes which He planned & we know will be carried out. Thus when you start talking about `WHY` God will do something then we can start to understand the details. What "why" are you referring to? Why would God rapture us? Why would we be left behind? I don't understand what purpose God would have to rapture us before the tribulation. I agree. It doesn't make sense, consequently there are a lot of semantic issues, same terms but different definitions, that confuse the issue. It seems that most who are of a pretrib persuasion focus on calling the tribulation or great tribulation a time of wrath or judgment. Same with the seals. You will often hear them referred to as "seal judgments". They do this, in my opinion, to then declare that we are not appointed for wrath but for salvation, and consequently the rapture is before all that. Escaping tribulation or persecution is unbiblical. Escaping God's judgment through salvation in Jesus Christ is biblical. As I see it, the first six seals contain no divine judgment. Its not until the seventh seal that judgment begins. The first six seals are events. The fifth seal describes the time of the great tribulation where the saints are persecuted under the provisions of the image of the beast that the false prophet sets up. The sixth seal ends the time of persecution and the seventh seal begins judgment. Some see the rapture at the sixth seal. I tend to agree but regardless, God knows how to protect us whether by removing us as He did Lot, or having us shelter in place as He did the children of Israel in Egypt, or by some other provision like Noah. We aren't instructed to understand the timing of the rapture. It makes me wonder why there is such an emphasis placed on it. Diversion from the real issue? Judgment falls on those who receive the mark and worship the image of the beast. That "trap" will catch a lot of people unaware...because they are entangled in the affairs of the world. In my opinion, we should strive to discern those days, because we will be forced to make a decision. We have no control over the timing of the rapture but we do have control over who we worship. 34 “Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. 36 But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted October 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,986 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In ChristMontana MarvThat's correct. Seven days, not seven years.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 5, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,225 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,512 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Hi hmbld, Thank you for asking about my comment that we need to know God`s purpose, the `why.` `What "why" are you referring to? Why would God rapture us? Why would we be left behind? I don't understand what purpose God would have to rapture us before the tribulation.` I will start with what God says - `His intention was the perfecting & the full equipping of the saints....towards building up Christ`s body until we all attain oneness in the faith & in the comprehension of the knowledge of the Son of God that we might arrive at really mature manhood..... So then, we may no longer be children, tossed to & fro ....with every changing wind of doctrine......Rather...let up grow up...into Him who is the Head, Christ. For because of Him the whole Body, closely joined & firmly knit together by the joints & ligaments ....grows to full maturity, building itself up in love.` (Eph. 4: 12 - 16) Thus we see Christ`s purpose in building His Body is for it to come to full maturity in Him. Then when that is accomplished Christ will be joined to the Body in a physical way (Head to Body). We `meet` the Lord, escort Him to His own throne & judge the world systems & fallen angels. (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3) The Body of Christ is the `court,` that Daniel saw. (Dan. 7: 10 & 26) Edited October 5, 2014 by Marilyn C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted October 7, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In Christ Montana Marv That's correct. Seven days, not seven years. Cheers RT Yet a one seven (one week or 7 days) can equal 7 prophetic years. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted October 7, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,986 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In ChristMontana MarvThat's correct. Seven days, not seven years.Cheers RT Yet a one seven (one week or 7 days) can equal 7 prophetic years. In ChristMontana MarvChrist said that His coming will be like it was in the days of Noah. There was no seven year period in Noah's time, nor is there a biblical warrant to change seven days into seven years. This is nothing more than another pre-trib rapture gimmick, much like the claim that apostasy means departure = rapture.Lots of believers are putting a lot of faith in a theory that is not even biblical. Wishing upon the stars!Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted October 8, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In Christ Montana Marv That's correct. Seven days, not seven years. Cheers RT Yet a one seven (one week or 7 days) can equal 7 prophetic years. In Christ Montana Marv Christ said that His coming will be like it was in the days of Noah. There was no seven year period in Noah's time, nor is there a biblical warrant to change seven days into seven years. This is nothing more than another pre-trib rapture gimmick, much like the claim that apostasy means departure = rapture. Lots of believers are putting a lot of faith in a theory that is not even biblical. Wishing upon the stars! Cheers RT Yet, Matt 24:37 - for as in the "Days of Noah", so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark, and they new nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away (killed them). You need to show me how this unconditional environment exists during the time of Gods Wrath, Armageddon and then His Second Coming. This time of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage exists now (not seven years from now). (up to the day Noah entered the ark) And so it will be a complete surprise to those who are not watching and waiting. Them same as in the days of Noah. 8 were prepared, the rest were not. And today, those who are ready will go up to the Fathers House as promised in John 14. All others will remain on earth to face the A/C and the False Prophet. This time of pre 70th Week is a better fit for the Rapture; much, much earlier than those who believe in the Post-Trib theory. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted October 8, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,986 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2014 The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In ancient Israel the wedding celebration, it was a seven day event. In Christ Montana Marv That's correct. Seven days, not seven years. Cheers RT Yet a one seven (one week or 7 days) can equal 7 prophetic years. In Christ Montana Marv Christ said that His coming will be like it was in the days of Noah. There was no seven year period in Noah's time, nor is there a biblical warrant to change seven days into seven years. This is nothing more than another pre-trib rapture gimmick, much like the claim that apostasy means departure = rapture. Lots of believers are putting a lot of faith in a theory that is not even biblical. Wishing upon the stars! Cheers RT Yet, Matt 24:37 - for as in the "Days of Noah", so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark, and they new nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away (killed them). You need to show me how this unconditional environment exists during the time of Gods Wrath, Armageddon and then His Second Coming. Gladly Marv, But first, the days of Noah parable/scenario do not exist during God's wrath, Armageddon and second coming. I would remind you that Noah and his family were rescued, just like those who are ready will be rescued from the Day of the Lord's wrath. This is hard for pre-tribbers to see, because they keep insisting that Matthew 24 is dealing with the second coming, which would include Armageddon and the Day of the Lord as well. But we see none of these in chapter 24. We only see the sign of the Son of man immediately after the tribulation of those days and the angels being sent to gather His elect (Matt. 24:29-31), which is the rapture that precedes the Day of the Lord and Armageddon during the second coming. Then He will judge the nations separating the sheep & goats (Matt. 25:31-46), which is also His answer for the sign of the end of the age. In a nutshell, Matthew 24 answers His disciples question (What will be the sign of your coming?); while the end of Matthew 25 answers (and of the end of the age?). (See Matt. 24:3) So basically, Matthew 24 is only half of the story. If that is where you draw your conclusion, you threw the baby out with the bath water. Just remember verse #31 is key in both chapters. Matt. 24:31 = Rapture. Matt. 25:31 = End of age/Second coming/Day of the Lord's wrath/Armageddon.Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Notice those who destroy the earth (goats) are killed after His faithful servants get rewarded, which is after the nations were angry (tribulation). This time of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage exists now (not seven years from now). (up to the day Noah entered the ark) And so it will be a complete surprise to those who are not watching and waiting. Them same as in the days of Noah. 8 were prepared, the rest were not. And today, those who are ready will go up to the Fathers House as promised in John 14. All others will remain on earth to face the A/C and the False Prophet. This time of pre 70th Week is a better fit for the Rapture; much, much earlier than those who believe in the Post-Trib theory. In Christ Montana Marv I believe the eating, drinking, marrying and given in marriage is a hidden clue in this parable about those who will be ready (faithful servants) going to the wedding supper. If you'll notice, the following parables all relate to the rapture as well, until you come to Matt. 25:31. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted October 8, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2014 RT That is where we do not agree. Eating and drinking, marrying and giving is marriage was the environment of civilization before the Flood. This same environment will exist before the Rapture. This same environment exists now. Two men, one taken (rescued) the other left behind. Two women, one taken (rescued) the other left behind. So keep watch because you do not know the day your Lord will come. Imminent (be always watching and waiting). So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. The Rapture. Matt 24:29 Immediately after the distress of those days (which days; V. 15, 21; Rev 12:13-17): the final 3 1/2 years. v.30 - The nations will mourn when they see the Son of Man appear in the sky. He comes with great power and great glory. The Second Coming The final separation of the sheep and goats occurs after the Mill, when the goats go into the Lake of Fire. The sheep get rewarded. (OT saints, Tribulation saints, Elect from Israel, those who did not follow Satan in his final battle after the Mill) We as Believers rule with Christ 1000 years. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justfaith Posted October 8, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) The best answer, IMHO, is to just be ready as Christ instructed us to be. Then it doesn't matter. Pray, and don't get entangled in the affairs of the world. Understand who the false prophet is and what he does (image of the beast) and it'll take care of itself. Way too much strife and dissension is stirred up by this issue which I consider more on the periphery. Exactly! We are to be watching......staying awake as instructed by our Lord. And it does not matter..... why? God will protect his children from destruction IF they can hear God. I wonder if anyone has started a thread about this subject .... How to hear God? Two verses on hearing HIS voice. Joh 8:47 He who is of God hears God's Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. Hi! You are right BUT how many people understand those verses? Is God's voice audible that you hear his voice with your ears? No Some say they can feel him......VERY true but that does mean they can HEAR God. So....... how can those who do not understand hear God? God speakes to man through the still voice with Elijah also speaking to Job out of the wind audible Edited October 8, 2014 by justfaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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