Visions and dreams controversy

[justfaith]

What are the  purposes of dreams and visions ?

What is a dream ?

What is a vision ? 

Are visions and dreams the same thing or are they different ? Why ?

Where do dreams come from?

Where do visions come from ?

How do you know where the dream came from ?

Edited October 8, 2014 by justfaith

[justfaith]

Do animals dream ?

[OakWood]

Visions and dreams cover a multitude of categories. Anybody can claim to have a vision or dream from God.

What is your question? What are you actually asking?

[Danielle86]

In Acts 2:17  In the last days,'God says  I will pour out my Spirit on all people . Your sons and daughters will prophesy.  Your young men will see visions.  Your old men will dream dreams .   Thats what the bible says about dreams and visions .  I think You have to be asleep to dream dont you and awake to see a vision lol unless you dream of having a vision . .    We are spirit beings our bodies  needs sleep but our spirits not the spirit realm is very real more that the natural realm.  God created all things so dreams and visions come from God but when we are tuned into the wrong frequincy we can pick up wrong visions and even our dreams can become deterred .  When ever  there is a vision given there is a purpose for something to come to pass .  Dreams can warn us or reveal things to us we can also be given messages in our dreams .  Dont know how much this help this is my understanding .

[Guest]

Dreaming~!

 

Besides, while he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent word to him, “Have nothing to do with that righteous man, for I have suffered much because of him today in a dream.” Matthew 27:19 (ESV)

 

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What are the  purposes of dreams and visions ?

What is a dream ?

What is a vision ? 

Are visions and dreams the same thing or are they different ? Why ?

Where do dreams come from?

Where do visions come from ?

How do you know where the dream came from ?

 

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If

 

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1 (ESV)

 

If

 

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Acts 2:17 (ESV)

 

They Point

 

Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, Colossians 2:18 (ESV)

 

To The Power

 

and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ; Ephesians 3:9 (WEB)

 

And To The Glory

 

“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.” Revelation 4:11 (ESV)

 

Of Jesus

 

Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)

 

Then Yes,

 

“For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7 (ESV)

 

Beloved As I See It

 

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,

 

and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

 

    and your young men shall see visions,
    and your old men shall dream dreams;

 

even on my male servants and female servants

    in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. Acts 2:17-18 (ESV)

 

They Prophesy The Word Of God

 

“Behold, in this you are not right. I will answer you,
    for God is greater than man.
 

Why do you contend against him,
    saying, ‘He will answer none of man's words’?
 

For God speaks in one way,
    and in two, though man does not perceive it.
 

In a dream, in a vision of the night,
    when deep sleep falls on men,
    while they slumber on their beds,
 

then he opens the ears of men
    and terrifies them with warnings,
 

that he may turn man aside from his deed
    and conceal pride from a man;
 

he keeps back his soul from the pit,
    his life from perishing by the sword. Job 33:12-18 (ESV)

[Willa]

I have never had a dream from God. They have always been a frustrating confusing mess of things seen and thought. Often they were from childhood and involved friends. The last one was about trying to find teen aged friends when seperated from them at a fair. Others were about playing hide and seek as a kid.

Visions were sometimes directed to us personally and not meant for the church. Once I saw us worshipping in a common gymnasium while others in the church imagined a new church that would be a beacon for all to see and come to. A few months later our family moved to a small church that was constructing a new adjacent sanctuary. When we moved into it we found basket ball hoops hanging at each end. It was a genuine gym. When we moved to another church it also eventually built a gym that doubled as a sanctuary. The chairs are removed during the week so that the school can use it for recess activities during the winter.

But these types of things are not common to me. Maybe it is because I am not a man. lol

And yes, our dogs do dream. Their eyes move, their feet move, and their cheeks puff as they attempt to bark in their sleep. They may be dreaming about chasing cats, squirrills or balls. Who knows.

[blue gem]

I have copied this from my original welcome thread:-

 

 

God talks to his people in all sorts of ways and while I know some will think this is strange, he talks to me through dreams (not that this is the only way and not that all dreams are godly dreams). I know a lot of people will think this is a bit wacky but I can only tell you of my own experiences. The dreams I think of as being godly have a different feel to normal dreams and are often very symbolic. Many times I have had the same dream 3 times. There are also times when I have a dream, wake up, fall back asleep and have the next part of the dream, wake up then fall asleep again and have the third part of the dream. 

I also believe god can speak to all of us in dreams but not everyone is receptive to it.

Anyway now that you all think I'm nuts here is the story of the blue gem.

A while ago I had a dream in which I saw a pair of hands being held out to me.
In them was a blue shapeless piece of solid plastic. 
As I watched, the hands closed around this and began to squeeze and mould it, like a person does with play doo.
Then the hands opened back up and in them was a massive sparkling completely flawless priceless diamond. 

I just felt I was being shown how god takes us as imperfect beings and moulds us throughout our life's.
He finishes what he starts, we may think we are hopeless but god sees the potential and he does not give up. Being born again
Is only the start we may be forgiven but there are things in each one if us that need moulding and shaping. God is more than capable
and will not give up on us, even though we may sometimes feel like giving up on ourselves.

Ps I was also healed of my sleep walking in a dream, if people are interested I can explain more.

God bless and thanks to everyone for the welcome.

 

 

There are many types of dreams, dreams to give warnings, dreams to give understanding, dreams of rebuke even, dreams of cleansing, dreams of healing (which I have personally experienced on two occasions).

 

A dream of warning I had last year for example, was when I had a dream I was outside and a large snarling dog ran up to me, but it only had one very large tooth.  This dog tried to bite my leg in the dream, but as it did, its one and only tooth cracked and broke off and I felt I was being shown that this dog which looked vicious was a toothless dog with no power over me.

I pondered on this dream for a few weeks and could not work out what it meant, at first I thought it might have some sort of spiritual application.

Then about a month later, I was walking to the bus stop one Sunday on my way to church, it was early with no one else about.  When I saw this large Japanese Akita dog

running around near the bus stop I was heading to.  It was loose on its own and running frantically around.  I crossed the road hoping to avoid it but it just ran over to my

side of the road, so I crossed back, but then it just ran back other to my side of the road again.  Then I remembered that dream and started praying that it would not harm me, that it was a toothless dog! Anyway it suddenly stopped and ran straight at me, I tried to avoid looking at it and just kept praying.  You know what it ran right up to me and bumped its

nose against the back of my leg, then it just shot off instantly across some open fields.  Phew!!  I honestly think that without the earlier dream of warning, I might have panicked and I could have been bitten/attacked. 

 

 

For me, most of the dreams I get are to bring understanding to my own situation, or where God has wanted to show me something, a few dreams have been for other

people, but not many.

 

 

I think God speaks to each one of us on an individual basis in all manner of ways, the most important thing though is to test everything and look to the Bible.

If you think you have something which contradicts the bible, then its not going to be from God. 

 

 

On the question of visions, I prefer to call them pictures, I have only had a couple of these they occur when you are awake and it is completely different to day

dreaming! I don't know how to explain it, other than its like a picture or scene appearing in your thoughts, something coming to mind but you just know it was not your thought

and you just know it was from God.  I can't explain how but you just know it in your spirit.

I know other people who get these pictures regularly but I think most of them would agree that again, they are mostly do to with their own circumstances.  

(Gosh you are all going to think i'm a bit mad now!   ).

 

PS I don't see myself as being an old man!

Edited October 11, 2014 by blue gem

[Littlelambseativy]

Visions are pictures that are perceived to tell a truth. Deams are thoughts, emotions worked out in sleep.

[Guest]

I'll just add this:

 

Any dream or vision that goes contrary to what's already revealed to us in the Bible is not from God.

 

Sometimes dreams - are just dreams. My grandmother used to say sometimes dreams were our mind's way of "taking out the trash."

[justfaith]

I have never had a dream from God. They have always been a frustrating confusing mess of things seen and thought. Often they were from childhood and involved friends. The last one was about trying to find teen aged friends when seperated from them at a fair. Others were about playing hide and seek as a kid.

Visions were sometimes directed to us personally and not meant for the church. Once I saw us worshipping in a common gymnasium while others in the church imagined a new church that would be a beacon for all to see and come to. A few months later our family moved to a small church that was constructing a new adjacent sanctuary. When we moved into it we found basket ball hoops hanging at each end. It was a genuine gym. When we moved to another church it also eventually built a gym that doubled as a sanctuary. The chairs are removed during the week so that the school can use it for recess activities during the winter.

But these types of things are not common to me. Maybe it is because I am not a man. lol

And yes, our dogs do dream. Their eyes move, their feet move, and their cheeks puff as they attempt to bark in their sleep. They may be dreaming about chasing cats, squirrills or balls. Who knows.

Do you think they dream things that come to pass ?