Financial Freedom? (Total Money Makeover)

[Guest]

I just think managing money should be something

 

that you speak to God about.

 

 

Amen~! And At Lest While We Are On Worthy,

 

For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

 

Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

 

But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you,

 

an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. Philippians 4:16-18

 

Let God Speak To Us

 

But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

 

Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Philippians 4:19-20

 

~

PS: Praying For The Saints To Enjoy Great Joy

In Their Business Endeavors

 

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart,

 

so let him give; not grudgingly,

 

or of necessity:

 

for God

 

loveth

 

a cheerful giver. 2 Corinthians 9:7

 

And To Be Blessed With Even Greater Joy

In Their Giving, No Matter How

Little It May

Seem

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[GoldenEagle]

Currently on Chapter 5 of the book. If anyone is on Facebook let me know if interested in joining the discussion group on Total Money Makeover.

 

 

Here's the group link: Dave Ramsey - Financial Freedom https://www.facebook.com/groups/1502886716656167/

[seandavids]

I find more people are interested in producing children that know how to make wealth, then children who know how to make converts

 

when the truth is finding contentment in what ever prediciment one finds themself in, riches we see can cause problems for a believer, I prefer to neither be so rich that I forget God nor so poor that I find a need to steal

[Guest]

I find more people are interested in producing children that know how to make wealth, then children who know how to make converts

 

when the truth is finding contentment in what ever predicament one finds themselves in, riches we see can cause problems for a believer, I prefer to neither be so rich that I forget God nor so poor that I find a need to steal

 

 

Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches;

 

feed me with food convenient for me: Proverbs 30:8

 

Amen~!

[other one]

Prov 13:22

22 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children,

NASB

 

You are not supposed to give it all away.

 

 

One should put enough back to live on without being a burden to other people....    and in some form that is there is any left over their children should receive that.   You can give and help others without putting yourself into the poor house.    Planning for retirement should start when you are 12 years old.....   if it does and you plan well, you can have an income for your needs without being a burden on other people while helping some around you........     and remember that some people never run out of needs and the more they receive the more they need.....

 

We should also remember that Paul taught that people who can work but don't should not receive help from the rest of us.   No work, no food...

 

We lived Dave Ramsey's teaching from the early 1970's and we are living examples that it works.

 

One should also remember that at any time the world financial system could crash and all our savings would be gone, so a little gold and silver should also be at hand for food and shelter for a year or so.

 

 

While I do agree that people should use cash until they are out of debt and have a years needs put back, but once you reach that level, there are several credit cards that give rewards and cashback such as Discover and it is advantageous to use those cards for most purchases for they are basically free money back to you.     Great care has to be taken to insure they can be paid off each month and thus the years safety account is insurance for this.   Once one has mastered credit and paid it all off, one should have developed the skills not to get back into debt.

[GoldenEagle]

 

Prov 13:22

22 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children,

NASB

 

You are not supposed to give it all away.

 

 

One should put enough back to live on without being a burden to other people....    and in some form that is there is any left over their children should receive that.   You can give and help others without putting yourself into the poor house.    Planning for retirement should start when you are 12 years old.....   if it does and you plan well, you can have an income for your needs without being a burden on other people while helping some around you........     and remember that some people never run out of needs and the more they receive the more they need.....

 

We should also remember that Paul taught that people who can work but don't should not receive help from the rest of us.   No work, no food...

 

We lived Dave Ramsey's teaching from the early 1970's and we are living examples that it works.

 

One should also remember that at any time the world financial system could crash and all our savings would be gone, so a little gold and silver should also be at hand for food and shelter for a year or so.

 

 

While I do agree that people should use cash until they are out of debt and have a years needs put back, but once you reach that level, there are several credit cards that give rewards and cashback such as Discover and it is advantageous to use those cards for most purchases for they are basically free money back to you.     Great care has to be taken to insure they can be paid off each month and thus the years safety account is insurance for this.   Once one has mastered credit and paid it all off, one should have developed the skills not to get back into debt.

 

I agree it is important to leave something for the next generation. Other One, I guess you were following the basic principles of 1) spending less than you make, 2) saving for a rainy day, and 3) investing for retirement early on.

Funny enough many people don't endorse gold including Warren Buffet and Dave Ramsey.

As far as credit cards...

What do you think of this below from NerdWallet? Seems like people who use credit cards may save 1-5% cash back or mileage but end up spending more... So save 1-5% by rewards but spend 12-18% more by using credit cards as opposed to cash? Or in the case of a McDonald's purchase almost double what they'd buy in cash?

 

It turns out that multiple behavioral economics studies back up these assertions. One of the most often cited studies is one conducted by Dun & Bradstreet, where the company found that people spend 12-18% more when using credit cards instead of cash. McDonald’s reports its average ticket is $7 when people use credit cards versus $4.50 for cash.

Source: http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/tips/credit-cards-make-you-spend-more/

 

God bless,

GE

[other one]

 

 

Prov 13:22

22 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children,

NASB

 

You are not supposed to give it all away.

 

 

One should put enough back to live on without being a burden to other people....    and in some form that is there is any left over their children should receive that.   You can give and help others without putting yourself into the poor house.    Planning for retirement should start when you are 12 years old.....   if it does and you plan well, you can have an income for your needs without being a burden on other people while helping some around you........     and remember that some people never run out of needs and the more they receive the more they need.....

 

We should also remember that Paul taught that people who can work but don't should not receive help from the rest of us.   No work, no food...

 

We lived Dave Ramsey's teaching from the early 1970's and we are living examples that it works.

 

One should also remember that at any time the world financial system could crash and all our savings would be gone, so a little gold and silver should also be at hand for food and shelter for a year or so.

 

 

While I do agree that people should use cash until they are out of debt and have a years needs put back, but once you reach that level, there are several credit cards that give rewards and cashback such as Discover and it is advantageous to use those cards for most purchases for they are basically free money back to you.     Great care has to be taken to insure they can be paid off each month and thus the years safety account is insurance for this.   Once one has mastered credit and paid it all off, one should have developed the skills not to get back into debt.

 

I agree it is important to leave something for the next generation. Other One, I guess you were following the basic principles of 1) spending less than you make, 2) saving for a rainy day, and 3) investing for retirement early on.

Funny enough many people don't endorse gold including Warren Buffet and Dave Ramsey.

As far as credit cards...

What do you think of this below from NerdWallet? Seems like people who use credit cards may save 1-5% cash back or mileage but end up spending more... So save 1-5% by rewards but spend 12-18% more by using credit cards as opposed to cash? Or in the case of a McDonald's purchase almost double what they'd buy in cash?

 

It turns out that multiple behavioral economics studies back up these assertions. One of the most often cited studies is one conducted by Dun & Bradstreet, where the company found that people spend 12-18% more when using credit cards instead of cash. McDonald’s reports its average ticket is $7 when people use credit cards versus $4.50 for cash.

Source: http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/tips/credit-cards-make-you-spend-more/

 

God bless,

GE

 

I don't spend anything on the card that i wouldn't spend with cash.......(secret to doing that is to keep two years spending needs put back for cash flow)  That way you can do what you want when you want it as long as your cash flow fund stays above the minimum that you have set up.

 

I was taught Dave Ramsey's theories from my childhood (67 years ago) and we've never been in debt other than house and car payments, and we paid  off our last four cars with no interest......    we also paid cash for the Winnebago.....   Well actually I put it on my Discover Card and paid it off on the next billing cycle (no interest)....   that was a good sized cash back month.

 

We have double life annuities that we spend less than half of to live on so with inflation that should last us for 20 years or so and we haven't even touched our 401k's yet.  Hopefully that will go for our grand kids college costs.   It's drawing 8% interest.... 

 

What I spend extra at McDonald's is to reach over in line and swipe my credit card in the line next to me when it looks like the people their are having financial problems....     and every chance I get I'll pick up a policeman's check when eating out, just for the respect of what they do.  We have lived frugal our whole lives whether it's cash or credit card..    

 

 

I joined the Facebook group......      I feel so blessed that I had the parents I had, and my wife's also.   Most of our lives we put about a third of our earnings in investments.    More than that if you count Social Security.   Most of the people in the Facebook Group are in real financial messes....   It's going to be hard for me to post much there.

[GoldenEagle]

 

I don't spend anything on the card that i wouldn't spend with cash.......(secret to doing that is to keep two years spending needs put back for cash flow)  That way you can do what you want when you want it as long as your cash flow fund stays above the minimum that you have set up.

 

 

 

I was taught Dave Ramsey's theories from my childhood (67 years ago) and we've never been in debt other than house and car payments, and we paid  off our last four cars with no interest......    we also paid cash for the Winnebago.....   Well actually I put it on my Discover Card and paid it off on the next billing cycle (no interest)....   that was a good sized cash back month.

 

We have double life annuities that we spend less than half of to live on so with inflation that should last us for 20 years or so and we haven't even touched our 401k's yet.  Hopefully that will go for our grand kids college costs.   It's drawing 8% interest.... 

 

What I spend extra at McDonald's is to reach over in line and swipe my credit card in the line next to me when it looks like the people their are having financial problems....     and every chance I get I'll pick up a policeman's check when eating out, just for the respect of what they do.  We have lived frugal our whole lives whether it's cash or credit card..    

 

 

I joined the Facebook group......      I feel so blessed that I had the parents I had, and my wife's also.   Most of our lives we put about a third of our earnings in investments.    More than that if you count Social Security.   Most of the people in the Facebook Group are in real financial messes....   It's going to be hard for me to post much there.

 

Very good! Yeah having a good emergency fund and retirement accounts is fantastic! Way to go!

What advice would you give to younger generations?

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

Is it easier to give 20 dollars away or 20 million?  If that's all you had?  Now I don't think you should go homeless or wearing second rate clothing, but no need to go overboard and buy insane mansions and what not.  I just think managing money should be something that you speak to God about.

 

I think stewardship is what a lot of Christians think about when talking about money and personal finance. There seems to be a lack of teaching on stewardship though. Instead, it seems many evangelical churches simply resort to teaching the concept of the modern tithe.

While I agree managing money should be something we consult God on we should also be pro-active about learning how to better manage the resources God has given us. That would allow more missionaries to be sent overseas, more Bibles to be published and distributed, more Bible translation resources, more outreach to the community by local churches to spread the Gospel... The list goes on. All if we managed our money better as children of God.

 

God bless,

GE

 

[GoldenEagle]

I find more people are interested in producing children that know how to make wealth, then children who know how to make converts

 

when the truth is finding contentment in what ever prediciment one finds themself in, riches we see can cause problems for a believer, I prefer to neither be so rich that I forget God nor so poor that I find a need to steal

Why not children who are equipped with the Gospel and who know how to be good stewards of what God has entrusted them? Why does it have to be an either/or kind of situation?

Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you...

 

God bless,

GE