keeping the sabbath holy

[Fro]

the sabbath is friday at dusk till saturday at dusk and Jesus our Lord was in the synagouge on saturday as was his practice why do most people go to church on sunday I learned that a king constintine changed that a long time ago the head bishop that would be the pope today approved the change does this make it right .1 verse that bothers me is john 14;15 If you love me keep my commandments and commandment 4 is keep the sabbath holy.ok guys thanks for the corrections and all other input .but does it say anywhere that God changed the sabbath day even though there is no command for service i still wonder about keeping the sabbath holy cause i just want to obey

Edited February 11, 2015 by Fro

[Qnts2]

the sabbath is friday at dusk till saturday at dusk and Jesus our Lord was in the synagouge on saturday as was his practice why do most people go to church on sunday I learned that a king constintine changed that a long time ago the head bishop that would be the pope today approved the change does this make it right .1 verse that bothers me is john 14;15 If you love me keep my commandments and commandment 4 is keep the sabbath holy

 

You are correct about the timing of the Sabbath.

 

Jesus went to where the Jewish people gathered to speak to them. Since Jewish people who lived outside of Jerusalem gathered in synagogues on Saturdays, that is where Jesus went and later the Apostles went. When Jesus was in Jerusalem, He went to the Temple to speak to people. Jesus purpose was to speak to people and teach, so He would go to where people were. 

 

The actual Sabbath law does not say anything about gathering together to have a service or worship. The Sabbath law says to rest. That is it. Just rest. Do no work.

 

Synagogues were a development in Judaism during the Babylonian exhile. There is no biblical command to build synagogues. Or to gather weekly. Synagogues were built during the captivity, by the Rabbis, so that in captivity, there was still a place for the Jewish people to gather and receive teachings. Synagogues were mainly built outside of Israel.  Before the Babylonian exhile, the only religious building was the Temple, in Jerusalem. It was impossible for most of the people to travel weekly to Jerusalem, so for the Sabbath, people stayed home and rested.  

 

While the synagogues were and are open on the Sabbath, and get the larger crowds because no one is working, Synagogues are and were actually open 7 days a week, and have meetings/services 7 days a week. There is no command to have services on Saturday, and there is nothing wrong with having services 7 days a week. In otherwords, Jewish people meet in synagogues and have services on Sunday also.

[Guest shiloh357]

The claim that Constantine changed the day of worship from the Sabbath to Sunday, as an explanation for why we go to church on Sunday, is erroneous. We know from Justin Martyr who lived around 150 AD (150 years before Constantine was ruled)  that Christians were already meeting on Sundays for worship.

[Guest Teditis]

@Qnts2 Excellent insight and information... thank you.

 

@Shiloh: Did Justin Martyr give any reasons why they met on Sundays though?

(Just wondering because I've often found this a curious question.)

[wingnut-]

Matthew 22:³⁴ But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. ³⁵ And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. ³⁶ “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” ³⁷ And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ³⁸ This is the great and first commandment. ³⁹ And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. ⁴⁰ On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

[Guest shiloh357]

@teditis:   Yes, he stated that it was to honor the resurrection of Christ.

[Ezra]

@Qnts2 Excellent insight and information... thank you.

 

@Shiloh: Did Justin Martyr give any reasons why they met on Sundays though?

(Just wondering because I've often found this a curious question.)

Justin Martyr was simply recording that which was already a regular practice in all the apostolic churches.  He said that "On the day called the Day of the Sun, all of us... gather in one place..." since that was the practice of all the churches. But he also gave several reasons, one of them being that it was the first day of creation and the second that it was the day of the resurrection of Christ, and also the day on which He taught His apostles.

 

The Lord's Day is mentioned in Rev 1:10 but is promptly ignored by those who will not accept the fact that when Christ said He is Lord of the sabbath, He meant to establish His lordship over it by bringing in the new creation on the first day of the week (the morrow after the sabbath).  Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week and was also worshipped precisely on the first day of the week (Jn 20:19-29). 

 

It is noteworthy that [a] the first day of the week is mentioned in v 19, the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles on the first day of the week, and [c] after 8 days (again on the first day of the week) the Lord appeared to Thomas and was worshipped by him. 

 

The day of Pentecost (the Feast of First Fruits), when the Holy Spirit was "poured out" and the Church was created, was on "the morrow after the sabbath" (also the first day of the week). This was the day on which the Gospel was preached to Jews from all over the Roman Empire, and when over 3,000 were saved and baptized.

 

 Then we read in Acts 20:7 that the disciples met "to break bread" (the Lord's Supper) on the first day of the week.  It is noteworthy that even though Paul and his companions arrived in Troas seven days before, they waited to meet with the Christians on the Lord's Day. That was the day when Paul resurrected Eutychus. This was the day of rest and worship for Christians, therefore Paul told the Corinthian church to bring their offerings on the first day of the week (1 Cor 16:1,2):  ¹Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. ²Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

 

The sabbath was (1) a "sign" between God and Israel (Exod 31:13) and (2) a shadow (Col 2:16,17) of the true sabbath of God (Heb 4:9-11).  Therefore God has repalced the sabbath with the Lord's Day.

 

The erroneous propaganda about Constantine (which was hundreds of years later) comes from Sabbatarians who believe that even after Christ's resurrection and the establishment of the Lord's Day, they must return to the Law of Moses.  But God has already said that the Old Covenant has been replaced with the New Covenant (Heb 8:13 and all of Hebrews) and there is no going back to Moses after Christ.

[GoldenEagle]

 

the sabbath is friday at dusk till saturday at dusk and Jesus our Lord was in the synagouge on saturday as was his practice why do most people go to church on sunday I learned that a king constintine changed that a long time ago the head bishop that would be the pope today approved the change does this make it right .1 verse that bothers me is john 14;15 If you love me keep my commandments and commandment 4 is keep the sabbath holy

 

You are correct about the timing of the Sabbath.

 

Jesus went to where the Jewish people gathered to speak to them. Since Jewish people who lived outside of Jerusalem gathered in synagogues on Saturdays, that is where Jesus went and later the Apostles went. When Jesus was in Jerusalem, He went to the Temple to speak to people. Jesus purpose was to speak to people and teach, so He would go to where people were. 

 

The actual Sabbath law does not say anything about gathering together to have a service or worship. The Sabbath law says to rest. That is it. Just rest. Do no work.

 

Synagogues were a development in Judaism during the Babylonian exhile. There is no biblical command to build synagogues. Or to gather weekly. Synagogues were built during the captivity, by the Rabbis, so that in captivity, there was still a place for the Jewish people to gather and receive teachings. Synagogues were mainly built outside of Israel.  Before the Babylonian exhile, the only religious building was the Temple, in Jerusalem. It was impossible for most of the people to travel weekly to Jerusalem, so for the Sabbath, people stayed home and rested.  

 

While the synagogues were and are open on the Sabbath, and get the larger crowds because no one is working, Synagogues are and were actually open 7 days a week, and have meetings/services 7 days a week. There is no command to have services on Saturday, and there is nothing wrong with having services 7 days a week. In otherwords, Jewish people meet in synagogues and have services on Sunday also.

 

 

Very interesting thanks for sharing!

[GoldenEagle]

The claim that Constantine changed the day of worship from the Sabbath to Sunday, as an explanation for why we go to church on Sunday, is erroneous. We know from Justin Martyr who lived around 150 AD (150 years before Constantine was ruled)  that Christians were already meeting on Sundays for worship.

 

 

@Qnts2 Excellent insight and information... thank you.

 

@Shiloh: Did Justin Martyr give any reasons why they met on Sundays though?

(Just wondering because I've often found this a curious question.)

 

 

@teditis:   Yes, he stated that it was to honor the resurrection of Christ.

Very cool. I didn't realize there was an actual historian who documented this!

[Fro]

yea i just want to obey yall and i kinda feel like friday night and saturday should be all about the Lord,but everybody is just going about doing there thing,Ifeel that most dont know when the sabbath day is