ayin jade Posted February 22, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2015 The words for mercy seat and propitiation are the same. In Exodus, in the septuagint, the word for mercy seat is: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilastērion hil-as-tay'-ree-on Neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), that is, (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specifically) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple): - mercyseat, propitiation. Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; The word for propitiation is: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilastērion hil-as-tay'-ree-on Neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), that is, (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specifically) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple): - mercyseat, propitiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted February 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think it goes hand in hand with what Isaiah prophecies in chapter 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted February 22, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,257 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,675 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2015 Cool thought for the day. Thank you, Jade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted June 3, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted June 3, 2015 The words for mercy seat and propitiation are the same. In Exodus, in the septuagint, the word for mercy seat is: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilastērion hil-as-tay'-ree-on Neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), that is, (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specifically) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple): - mercyseat, propitiation. Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; The word for propitiation is: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilastērion hil-as-tay'-ree-on Neuter of a derivative of G2433; an expiatory (place or thing), that is, (concretely) an atoning victim, or (specifically) the lid of the Ark (in the Temple): - mercyseat, propitiation. I bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your steadfast love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. Psalms 138:2 (ESV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 3, 2015 The words for mercy seat and propitiation are the same. The key to the Ark of the Covenant becoming the Mercy Seat was the blood that was sprinkled on it. And "propitiation through faith in his blood" makes it very clear that Christ's blood was applied to the Mercy Seat in Heaven, thus making it the Throne of Grace. There are many Christians who have no idea of the doctrine of the blood of Christ, and some preachers and many Christians simply dismiss the blood as being merely symbolic of the death of Christ. But that is not what Scripture teaches. We are "washed in the blood of the Lamb" and that is not just a metaphor. It is a spiritual reality to God, as is the blood on the Mercy Seat (Heb 9:11,12, 24): 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible2 Posted June 4, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 642 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 405 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2015 ayin jade said in post 1: The words for mercy seat and propitiation are the same. That makes sense, just as ALL the parts of the Old Covenant Mosaic tabernacle could have foreshadowed YHWH's New Covenant way of salvation (Jeremiah 31:31-34). For the altar for animal sacrifices (Exodus 27:1, Exodus 29:12-13) could have foreshadowed Jesus Christ's New Covenant sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Matthew 26:28). And the laver with its water (Exodus 30:18) could have foreshadowed Christian water-baptism (Acts 22:16). The menorah with its flames (Exodus 25:31,37) could have foreshadowed Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5, Acts 2:3-4). The table with its shewbread (Exodus 25:23,30) could have foreshadowed Communion (1 Corinthians 11:26). The altar for incense (Exodus 30:1) could have foreshadowed Christian prayer (cf. Revelation 8:4). The ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:10, Numbers 10:33) with its mercy seat (Exodus 25:21) could have foreshadowed the establishment of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28) and Christians obtaining its mercy (Hebrews 4:16), unto eternal life (Jude 1:21). At the same time, the tabernacle could have been a figurative model of the earth and its 3 heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2b). The tabernacle's courtyard could have represented the earth and its atmosphere, the 1st heaven (Genesis 1:20b). The tabernacle's holy place could have represented the 2nd heaven, outer space (Deuteronomy 4:19). And the tabernacle's most holy place could have represented the 3rd heaven spiritual realm (2 Corinthians 12:2b). In the tabernacle's courtyard, the altar (Exodus 27:1) could have represented the earth's land areas. The laver with its water (Exodus 30:18) could have represented the sea (cf. also "the sea" part of the first temple: 1 Kings 7:23). And the veil between the courtyard and the holy place (Exodus 26:36) could have represented the atmosphere. The 5 pillars which held up that veil (Exodus 26:37) could have represented the 5 most powerful (now fallen) angelic princes who (before they were fallen) were assigned by God to rule the earth from its atmosphere/sky/air (Ephesians 6:12). The central of these 5 pillars could have represented Lucifer (Satan), "the prince of the power of the air" (Ephesians 2:2), while the other 4 pillars could have represented 4 of his most powerful lieutenants. In the tabernacle's holy place, the 7 lights (Exodus 25:37) could have represented the 7 (moving) lights in outer space visible to the naked eye from the viewpoint of earth: the sun, the moon, the first planet from the sun, the 2nd planet, the 4th planet, the 5th planet, and the 6th planet. The 12 loaves (Leviticus 24:5-6) could have represented the 12 constellations of the Mazzaroth (Job 38:32). At the same time, the 7 lights (both in the tabernacle and in the sky) could have been patterned after the 3rd heaven's "seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God" (Revelation 4:5b). In the tabernacle's most holy place, the veil between the holy place and most holy place (Exodus 26:33b) could have represented the line between outer space (space-time throughout the universe) and the earth's 3rd heaven spiritual realm. The 4 pillars which held up that veil (Exodus 26:32) could have represented the 4 dimensions of space-time, the 4 fundamental forces of space-time (gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force), and the 4 possible states of matter in space-time (solid, liquid, gas, plasma), so that going past the 4 pillars could have represented going beyond space-time and into the earth's 3rd heaven spiritual realm. At the same time, all the different sets of 4 things referred to above could have been patterned after the 3rd heaven's 4 beasts/seraphims (Revelation 4:8, Isaiah 6:2-3). The vertical boards which formed the back wall of the tabernacle's most holy place included 6 boards (Exodus 26:22) of a regular width of 1.5 cubits (Exodus 26:16) plus 2 corner boards (Exodus 26:23) which each had to have been 1/3 the regular width, so that the width of the back wall would be 10 cubits, equal to the 10-cubit height of the boards (Exodus 26:16), and equal to the 10-cubit length of the most holy place (this length being based on the tabernacle's top-covering curtains in Exodus 26:1-13 having been most likely coupled by the gold taches at the line between the holy place and most holy place). I.e., in order for the most holy place to have been a perfect cube, exactly 10 cubits (15 feet) on a side (similar to how the literal, heavenly city of New Jerusalem is a perfect cube, some 1,500 miles on a side: Revelation 21:16), the back wall of the tabernacle had to have been formed by the equivalent of 6.66 regular-width boards. That the back wall of the tabernacle's most holy place had, in effect, the number 6.66 connected with it could have represented the Antichrist's future rebellion. For the gematrial number of his personal name is 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). And he could break through the back wall of the 3rd Jewish temple (which will be built), and he could then enter in that back way when he sits in the temple (at least one time) and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). He could take great delight in entering the temple's most holy place by this forced, "back way", for it would show his utter rejection of YHWH's way to eternal life, pictured by the tabernacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted June 4, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted June 4, 2015 How 'bout another interesting Bible note. "Benjamin" means 'son of my right hand,' but every time Scripture mentions someone is Left-handed, it also notes he was from the tribe of Benjamin. I know there is some meaning there, but it eludes me..... Undesirous to hijack this thread, I would ask you to PM me any thoughts on this oddity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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