God's Covenants vs Covenant Theology

[Ezra]

It has recently been alleged in another thread that God the Father made a covenant with God the Son regarding redemption.  I pointed out that there is absolutely no Scripture to support that notion.  Hence this thread. 

 

Most Christians are familiar with the Old Covenant (or Old Testament) and the New Covenant (or New Testament).  But most Christians may not be aware of Covenant Theology, which is an offshoot of Reformed Theology.

 

In simple terms, a covenant between God and men is a Divine promise (which can be either conditional or unconditional). God made covenants with (1) Noah, (2) Abraham (Isaac, Jacob,included), and (3) David (Judah included).  He also made (4) a Mosaic or Old Covenant with Israel and (5) a New Covenant with Israel (which also encompasses the Church).  The Lord Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant or New Testament in His blood.

 

On the other hand, Covenant Theology has some imaginary covenants -- a so-called "Covenant of Works" with Adam, a so-called "Covenant of Grace" with humanity (more narrowly with the so-called "elect"), and a so-called "Covenant of Redemption" with Christ.

 

However, anything that is not solidly grounded in, and supported by, Scripture, has no place in our doctrinal beliefs. Therefore Covenant Theology is a false system of interpreting Scripture (as is Five-Point Calvinism).

 

 

[Cog]

"However, anything that is not solidly grounded in, and supported by, Scripture, has no place in our doctrinal beliefs."

This reads like you're saying that if you cannot hear it, if you, or even most, cannot perceive it, then it's not true. Also, what about things not revealed in scripture? Is it not said that Jesus has more to teach us, and is it not also said that God will pour out his Spirit upon us?

John 16:12

Ezekiel 39:29

Joel 2:28

I mean, I agree things are settled in the absolute sense of the word, but all is not known to us; and further still, all is not revealed in the Bible, so we cannot say a matter is "settled" solely by the Bible (we cannot say the Bible grounds all things.)

Honestly, I love you, but sometimes you guys sound like pharisees.

Edited April 14, 2015 by Cog

[Guest]

I mean, I agree things are settled in the absolute sense of the word, but all is not known to us; and further still, all is not revealed in the Bible, so we cannot say a matter is "settled" solely by the Bible (we cannot say the Bible grounds all things.)

Honestly, I love you, but sometimes you guys sound like pharisees.

 

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Yeap~!

 

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

Sure

 

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4

 

Do

 

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

 

Huh....

 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

[angels4u]

It has recently been alleged in another thread that God the Father made a covenant with God the Son regarding redemption.  I pointed out that there is absolutely no Scripture to support that notion.  Hence this thread. 

 

Most Christians are familiar with the Old Covenant (or Old Testament) and the New Covenant (or New Testament).  But most Christians may not be aware of Covenant Theology, which is an offshoot of Reformed Theology.

 

In simple terms, a covenant between God and men is a Divine promise (which can be either conditional or unconditional). God made covenants with (1) Noah, (2) Abraham (Isaac, Jacob,included), and (3) David (Judah included).  He also made (4) a Mosaic or Old Covenant with Israel and (5) a New Covenant with Israel (which also encompasses the Church).  The Lord Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant or New Testament in His blood.

 

On the other hand, Covenant Theology has some imaginary covenants -- a so-called "Covenant of Works" with Adam, a so-called "Covenant of Grace" with humanity (more narrowly with the so-called "elect"), and a so-called "Covenant of Redemption" with Christ.

 

However, anything that is not solidly grounded in, and supported by, Scripture, has no place in our doctrinal beliefs. Therefore Covenant Theology is a false system of interpreting Scripture (as is Five-Point Calvinism).

Should we start attacking people for what they believe,would it not be better to love other Christians and to help them in their Christian walk? 

 

What do you think Jesus would want you to do? 

 

Is dividing Christians that not what the devil would wants us to do knowing his time is short?

 

1 Peter:5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour...

[Ezra]

Should we start attacking people for what they believe,would it not be better to love other Christians and to help them in their Christian walk?

There is a vast difference between exposing false doctrine and attacking people.  So which "people" have been attacked?

 

If you believe that Covenant Theology is true, please provide the Scriptures which support the so-called covenants of covenant theology.

[angels4u]

 

 

Should we start attacking people for what they believe,would it not be better to love other Christians and to help them in their Christian walk?

There is a vast difference between exposing false doctrine and attacking people.  So which "people" have been attacked?

 

If you believe that Covenant Theology is true, please provide the Scriptures which support the so-called covenants of covenant theology.

I do not believe in Covenant Theology,if I'm not mistaken they believe that Israel is replaced by the church?

 

But at the same time they are your brothers and sisters in the Lord if they accepted Jesus.

 

Jesus died for everybody,there are Christians everywhere with different name tags,I don't like to wear the tag but some  other people do...and they don't go to hell as long if you are saved in the name of Jesus..

 

For by grace we are saved and not by anything we did...