Florida man lands gyrocopter on Capitol lawn

[Guest shiloh357]

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

[Burning_Ember]

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

From http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml

 

The United States Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and more than 150 offices throughout the United States and abroad.

 

They hunt fugitives, they conduct investigations, they arrest people, they provide protection. Try looking up what the most basic information on what the secret service actually does before you argue what it is they should do.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yes, that's true.  I misspoke.     But the point I am trying to make is that they are not "police."  The Secret Service is not like the police .  They do investigations and make arrests, but those are usually people who have voice a threat to the president or some other elected official.

 

In THIS case, they would have been in their purview to shoot this guy down had they been doing their job.   Their job is not to "value" lives.  They are not tasked with saving the lives of the person who could be a legitimate threat.

 

In a different time, with a competent administration that guy would be dead.  Pure and simple.

[ayin jade]

 

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

From http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml

 

The United States Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and more than 150 offices throughout the United States and abroad.

 

They hunt fugitives, they conduct investigations, they arrest people, they provide protection. Try looking up what the most basic information on what the secret service actually does before you argue what it is they should do.

 

 

 

From your link:

 

 

 

Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders, and criminal investigations.

 

So how exactly does that translate to protecting the life of one man intruding on forbidden airspace?

[The_Patriot21]

Reality of it is, the secret service actually failed well before they had to shoot him down. the fact he landed in the white house lawn means they failed, and even if they had shot him down, still a fail. Fact is, it was public knowledge he was making this flight. The fact they didn't show up at the point of origin and arrest him for it, is proof they wern't doing theyre job. Had they done that, this whole discussion would have never taken place.

[ayin jade]

Reality of it is, the secret service actually failed well before they had to shoot him down. the fact he landed in the white house lawn means they failed, and even if they had shot him down, still a fail. Fact is, it was public knowledge he was making this flight. The fact they didn't show up at the point of origin and arrest him for it, is proof they wern't doing theyre job. Had they done that, this whole discussion would have never taken place.

 

 

It kills me to say it pat (jk on that) but you are absolutely right. Their investigative role is to check into potential threats. They should have arrested this man before he started flying. 

[Burning_Ember]

 

 

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

From http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml

 

The United States Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and more than 150 offices throughout the United States and abroad.

 

They hunt fugitives, they conduct investigations, they arrest people, they provide protection. Try looking up what the most basic information on what the secret service actually does before you argue what it is they should do.

 

 

 

From your link:

 

 

 

Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders, and criminal investigations.

 

So how exactly does that translate to protecting the life of one man intruding on forbidden airspace?

 

The fifth amendment.

[ayin jade]

 

 

 

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

From http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml

 

The United States Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and more than 150 offices throughout the United States and abroad.

 

They hunt fugitives, they conduct investigations, they arrest people, they provide protection. Try looking up what the most basic information on what the secret service actually does before you argue what it is they should do.

 

 

 

From your link:

 

 

 

Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders, and criminal investigations.

 

So how exactly does that translate to protecting the life of one man intruding on forbidden airspace?

 

The fifth amendment.

 

 

You do not understand the purpose of the secret service. It is not to protect citizens. It is to protect the ones they are specifically told to protect. At all costs. That is the president, various candidates, presidents family, other world leaders who are visiting. Thats it. The life of someone who violates closed airspace is forfeited to that goal. 

[Burning_Ember]

 

 

 

 

The Secret Service is not law enforcement.   They are not police officers.  Their job to neutralize any possible threat no matter how small it is.  This is not about the value of anyone's life. They are not being paid to value the life of the person who they perceive as a threat.   They are paid to protect the president at any cost.   They are authorized to kill intruders even if the president is not on the premises.  They are paid to assume that even this guy has an agenda to threaten president.   They shoot first and ask questions later and they are indemnified from prosecution under US law for such action.

 

It doesn't matter if it offends your liberal sensitivities.   That's the law, that's how it works, we would not want it any other way.

From http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml

 

The United States Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency with headquarters in Washington, D.C., and more than 150 offices throughout the United States and abroad.

 

They hunt fugitives, they conduct investigations, they arrest people, they provide protection. Try looking up what the most basic information on what the secret service actually does before you argue what it is they should do.

 

 

 

From your link:

 

 

 

Today, the agency is mandated by Congress to carry out dual missions: protection of national and visiting foreign leaders, and criminal investigations.

 

So how exactly does that translate to protecting the life of one man intruding on forbidden airspace?

 

The fifth amendment.

 

 

You do not understand the purpose of the secret service. It is not to protect citizens. It is to protect the ones they are specifically told to protect. At all costs. That is the president, various candidates, presidents family, other world leaders who are visiting. Thats it. The life of someone who violates closed airspace is forfeited to that goal. 

 

The mission a law enforcement agency is given does not allow them to violate the constution or established legal precedent.

 

If that man got shot down, that would turn out awful in so many ways. Regardless of whether someone thinks it's justified or not, shooting down a mailman delivering letters in a gyrocopter, even if he violated airspace, would enrage many people.

 

2015 is the year of protest, today (saturday) in Baltimore is going to be a big day, possibly thousands attending. It's going to get rough this summer, and justifying lethal force against protesters is going to add a lot of fuel to what is already going to be tough.

[Guest shiloh357]

BE,

 

You do not know what you are talking about.   As jade has said, the Secret Service is not tasked with protecting Americans. They are a security detail tasked with protecting government officials.

 

Had that man been shot down, there would have been no outrage.   There would have been an understanding that he did something incredibly stupid and got what he deserved.   Most of us here in the US understand that you don't do stuff like that.  You don't just walk up or fly up to areas like the capitol building or the white house and not expect potentially deadly consequences  

 

There is a reason why most Americans don't things like what this man did.   The Secret Service are not mind readers and they are trained to kill anyone that could be threat if deemed such.   Flying on to the nation's capitol in a no fly zone is only asking to be killed.

 

He is lucky that we have liberals in charge who don't know their right hand from their left and have no clue how to run a security detail.   It is only because of their incompetence that this man didn't get shot down.