Will there be mansions in heaven?

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

 

There are no saints in heaven.  The saints will live on the New Earth.

 

 

 

All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this.

 

The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day.  It's the same place the thief on the cross went.

 

 

Not so, Ambassador. You are not understanding. Paradise is in Hades---and it is now empty, since all saints have been led out. No believer, including the thief on the cross, is there since Jesus went there and set them free to go to heaven. The only people in Hades now---in the compartment of Hades that is occupied by the wicked---are unbelievers, awaiting Judgment. Christians do not experience the Judgment.

 

Hades is the holding place of the lost awaiting the judgements.  You have been the victim of wrong teaching.

 

That is what we are saying.Hades is the waiting place for unbelievers waiting judgment.But paradise no longer exists.All the believers are now in heaven.

[His Ambassador]

If you would read the last part of Rev.20 and the first part of 21 you would see where our eternal home is going to be.  Until the Judgements Believers are in Paradise.

[Floatingaxe]

If you would read the last part of Rev.20 and the first part of 21 you would see where our eternal home is going to be.  Until the Judgements Believers are in Paradise.

 

Sorry, Ambassador, you are wrong about this. The righteous part of Hades, called "Paradise" or "Abraham's Bosom" is no longer, for Jesus has been there and has led those who were there OUT. All saints are now with Him in heaven. This truth does not contradict anyhting in Revelation 20 or 21. You actually have no reason to believe what you are saying. Are you a proponent of soul sleep?

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

 

There are no saints in heaven.  The saints will live on the New Earth.

 

 

 

All saints, including OT saints, are now with Jesus Christ in heaven. Yes, we will end up in the New Earth, and we will also reign with Christ on this old earth during the Millennium, before God renews the Earth. Scripture teaches this.

 

The saints are in Paradise (which is not the same place a Heaven) awaiting the judgement day.  It's the same place the thief on the cross went.

 

 

Not so, Ambassador. You are not understanding. Paradise is in Hades---and it is now empty, since all saints have been led out. No believer, including the thief on the cross, is there since Jesus went there and set them free to go to heaven. The only people in Hades now---in the compartment of Hades that is occupied by the wicked---are unbelievers, awaiting Judgment. Christians do not experience the Judgment.

 

Hades is the holding place of the lost awaiting the judgements.  You have been the victim of wrong teaching.

 

 

Actually, I have had excellent, anointed teachers. Yes, Hades is the place for unbelievers, confined until Judgment Day...which is what I have said.

 

The wrong teaching you have been given is that the believer who dies is held in a separate place from where Jesus is, and you allude to the believer experiencing Judgment....Christians will not experience the Great White Throne Judgment. We will, however experience the Bema Seat Judgment of Christ, for reward, and that occurs after the first resurrection, and the catching away of the saints.

[His Ambassador]

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

[Floatingaxe]

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

[His Ambassador]

 

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

 

You are correct about the New Earth.  But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.  All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.  If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject I'm not surprised as many Christians have been the victims of false teachings.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

You are right about the judgements.  But there is no Scripture saying Believers will be in Heaven.  And where does it say that Jesus is not in Paradise.  Do you really think He went to Heaven and just sits there at the right hand of the Father.  He certainly is in Paradise too and He said he is going to prepare a place for us.  Heaven is God's domain where the records and rewards are kept.  After we are released from Paradise for the judgements we will spend eternity on the New Earth.

 

No, I don't believe in soul sleep.  Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Scripture doesn't teach what you are believing.

 

Jesus is not in Paradise/Abraham's Bosom. It's empty. Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---where we believers will be ruling and reigning with Christ---and after Satan's release and final attempt at an insurrection against King Jesus.

 

Your beliefs are just not scriptural. Someone has taught you error, or have you been self-taught?

 

You are correct about the New Earth.  But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.  All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.  If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject I'm not surprised as many Christians have been the victims of false teachings.

 

 

Please post the scripture that teaches us that Hades/Paradise is full of believers!

 

I know Revelation 20 and 21 and I know what it says. Our final eternal home is here on the renewed earth. However, our City is the City of God---or heaven---where all believers who have died are right now. Knowing these truths is unchangable in those of us whom the Spirit of God has taught them.

 

You are promoting a false concept, due to a poor comprehension of what "Paradise" is and why Jesus went there.

[Guest]

Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---

 

But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say....

 

Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.... 

 

All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.... 

 

 

If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject....

 

I'm not surprised as many Christians....

 

have been the victims....

 

of false teachings.....

 

 

Amen Beloved

 

for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels

 

do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 18:10 (King James Version)

 

For Even

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Now

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

[Floatingaxe]

 

Today when a saint dies they are alive and in Paradise.

 

Jesus is with the father in heaven, His dwelling place. He is preparing a place for us THERE. So, you think that heaven is a hall of records? No, it is far beyond that!!!

 

We are not going to be released from anywhere but our bodies at death, and immediately we will be ushered into His presence in heaven. We will not experience Judgment.

 

The New Earth comes after the Millennium---

 

But you are misinterpreting Scripture when you say....

 

Paradise is empty and we will spend eternity in Heaven.... 

 

All you have to do is read Rev. 20 & 21 to see where we will spend eternity.... 

 

 

If that changes the beliefs you hold on the subject....

 

I'm not surprised as many Christians....

 

have been the victims....

 

of false teachings.....

 

 

Amen Beloved

 

for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels

 

do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 18:10 (King James Version)

 

For Even

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather

 

to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)

 

Now

 

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ

 

(by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him

 

in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come

 

He might show the surpassing riches of His grace

 

in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-7 (New American Standard Bible)

 

 

Fresno Joe---please tell us why you also tend toward His ambassador's insistence that the dead are still in Paradise/Hades/grave, where Jesus went to reveal Himself to and lead out the righteous OT saints who were awaiting Him there? Do you not believe that when we vacate our bodies that we will find ourselves immediately in the presence of jesus Christ---in heaven? Do also agree with him that we will undergo Judgment?