Letters to show how Einstein viewed God

[siegi91]

 

 

Are you also a physicist?

 

 

Nope....I'm a Christian.

 

 

 

I was wondering why I had a premonition you are not a physicist

 

By the way, what does it mean "Nope ... I am a Christian"? I think you can be both a Christian and a physicists. Or it is not the case? I don't know much of Christianity, so I am not sure. I hope you guys can make some light on that.

 

But if the two properties of being a Christian and being a physicist are compatible, then what you said is equivalent to answer "Nope,..I am American" to the question "Are you hungry"?

 

siegi

Edited August 8, 2015 by siegi91

[OldSchool2]

the problem i found with einstein's thinking is that he puts gravity as in charge or ruling time and that just can't be. time is a non-material concept thus gravity has no effect on it.  Gravity may affect the clock mechanism, no matter their design, but the mechanism does not originate time it merely measures it.  if a clock moves slowly that does not mean that time has slowed down but that there is a problem with the mechanism

 

       

 

It's about "Time".  I've been hammering this on forums for better than 3 years now.  Very refreshing to read this... it made my day, kudos to you sir.

But is a "true" atomic clock the exception?

"All modern clocks have some type of internal mechanism that repeats itself in a regular fashion to count out the passage of time. In many contemporary clocks, it is an oscillating crystal of quartz that keeps the beat of passing time in a precise and periodic way. For an 'atomic' clock, the oscillator consists of the very atoms that make up its core. And, unlike other types of oscillators, the period is not set by human construction but comes from the quantum mechanical nature of the atom itself!..."

http://www.4physics.com/phy_demo/at_clock/at_clock.htm

Note that there is also a diagram of a basic atomic clock that shows filters, detectors, a digital counter and a servo "mechanism"!

I only have a radio-controlled (false) "atomic" clock.

[Kan]

 

Apart from our interpretation of changes, by making comparisons, we have no greater concept of time. We have no proof of our correctness on that topic do we?

 

(Quoting kan)

 

I have determined that you have no clue on the subject matter we are discussing.  That makes no sense whatsoever as does the rest of your post. If you are trying to be a philosopher, I would suggest that you rethink that objective. Communication depend supon the othe rperson actually having a chance to understand what you are trying to say.

 

If you are trying to be mystical, then  don't because I have yet to seen bibnlical instruction permitting mysticism.

 

But whatever you are trying to be or do, it is not working.

 

 

You seem concerned that I am trying to do something or be something, "which is not working." 

I have no argument with you there. As you have determined, I "have no clue."

 

In your previous post, your argument was that my post was a waste of time because it was stating the obvious, and you are saying that I am pushing mysticism. 

 

It can't be both, can it?

 

It could mean that the obvious is a mystery to you, or that I am telling obvious mysteries.

 

I was stating something which sounds simple and obvious, but actually is a mystery, so yes, I am trying to do something which is not working for you just now, maybe another time.

 

But here it is again, how can you determine what time is, how long does something take? The atomic clock? Even it can be physically slowed or sped up under special conditions. Time is relative both by perception and measurement.

[Enoch2021]

 

I was wondering why I had a premonition you are not a physicist

 

 

Very Scientific.

 

 

By the way, what does it mean "Nope ... I am a Christian"? I think you can be both a Christian and a physicists.

 

 

On the surface, they're not mutually exclusive....although they should be (More on that in a moment).  I put that there as a test to see if you would wholesale dodge the Unassailable Mountain of excruciatingly detailed poignant rebuttals/refutations of your post by focusing, in a Straw Man-esque (Fallacy) way, solely on that.

 

An Atheist Physicist is an oxymoron.  Ya see:  The "Pillars of Science"..."Physical Laws" (Laws of Thermodynamics) basically state that:

 

1st Law of Thermodynamics (1LOT):  "Nature" can't create or destroy matter energy.

2nd Law of Thermodynamics (2LOT): The amount of energy available for work is running out, and the Universe is moving inexorably to "Maximum Entropy" or Heat Death.

 

Since we and the Universe are here "Matter/Energy", and "Nature" couldn't create the Universe...what is the only other choice?  To be an "Actual" Physicist and say there is "No GOD" is to deny the Veracity of the Foundation Cornerstone of your discipline....Immutable Laws of Physics; Tantamount to a Mechanic who denies the existence of a Gasoline Combustion Engine.

 

 

I hope you guys can make some light that.

 

 

Shines?

[Enoch2021]

 

 

the problem i found with einstein's thinking is that he puts gravity as in charge or ruling time and that just can't be. time is a non-material concept thus gravity has no effect on it.  Gravity may affect the clock mechanism, no matter their design, but the mechanism does not originate time it merely measures it.  if a clock moves slowly that does not mean that time has slowed down but that there is a problem with the mechanism

 

       

 

It's about "Time".  I've been hammering this on forums for better than 3 years now.  Very refreshing to read this... it made my day, kudos to you sir.

 

But is a "true" atomic clock the exception?

"All modern clocks have some type of internal mechanism that repeats itself in a regular fashion to count out the passage of time. In many contemporary clocks, it is an oscillating crystal of quartz that keeps the beat of passing time in a precise and periodic way. For an 'atomic' clock, the oscillator consists of the very atoms that make up its core. And, unlike other types of oscillators, the period is not set by human construction but comes from the quantum mechanical nature of the atom itself!..."

http://www.4physics.com/phy_demo/at_clock/at_clock.htm

Note that there is also a diagram of a basic atomic clock that shows filters, detectors, a digital counter and a servo "mechanism"!

I only have a radio-controlled (false) "atomic" clock.

 

 

 

 

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But is a "true" atomic clock the exception?

 

 

Exception to what?

 

Do you think "TIME" is Physical?

 

 

And, unlike other types of oscillators, the period is not set by human construction but comes from the quantum mechanical nature of the atom itself!..."

 

 

Say what?  Does Nature construct these...

 

 Cesium Atomic Clock

 

??

 

The Cesium Atomic Clock works and is based on the "Decay Rate" of the Cesium Atom.  "The Period" is irrelevant to the discussion.

[Kan]

The oscillation rates of atoms? 

 

One of the most steady ways of measuring,

 

but never fluctuating? Big question mark.

[archaeologist55]

But is a "true" atomic clock the exception?

 

no. it has material components that are influenced by gravity

[archaeologist55]

 

 

Apart from our interpretation of changes, by making comparisons, we have no greater concept of time. We have no proof of our correctness on that topic do we?

 

(Quoting kan)

 

I have determined that you have no clue on the subject matter we are discussing.  That makes no sense whatsoever as does the rest of your post. If you are trying to be a philosopher, I would suggest that you rethink that objective. Communication depend supon the othe rperson actually having a chance to understand what you are trying to say.

 

If you are trying to be mystical, then  don't because I have yet to seen bibnlical instruction permitting mysticism.

 

But whatever you are trying to be or do, it is not working.

 

 

You seem concerned that I am trying to do something or be something, "which is not working." 

I have no argument with you there. As you have determined, I "have no clue."

 

In your previous post, your argument was that my post was a waste of time because it was stating the obvious, and you are saying that I am pushing mysticism.

 

It can't be both, can it?

 

It could mean that the obvious is a mystery to you, or that I am telling obvious mysteries.

 

I was stating something which sounds simple and obvious, but actually is a mystery, so yes, I am trying to do something which is not working for you just now, maybe another time.

 

But here it is again, how can you determine what time is, how long does something take? The atomic clock? Even it can be physically slowed or sped up under special conditions. Time is relative both by perception and measurement.

 

i do not have time for your games. please do not address me again

[Kan]

i do not have time for your games. please do not address me again

 

 

 

No problem.

[siegi91]

 

 

By the way, what does it mean "Nope ... I am a Christian"? I think you can be both a Christian and a physicists.

 

 

On the surface, they're not mutually exclusive....although they should be (More on that in a moment).  I put that there as a test to see if you would wholesale dodge the Unassailable Mountain of excruciatingly detailed poignant rebuttals/refutations of your post by focusing, in a Straw Man-esque (Fallacy) way, solely on that.

 

An Atheist Physicist is an oxymoron.  Ya see:  The "Pillars of Science"..."Physical Laws" (Laws of Thermodynamics) basically state that:

 

1st Law of Thermodynamics (1LOT):  "Nature" can't create or destroy matter energy.

2nd Law of Thermodynamics (2LOT): The amount of energy available for work is running out, and the Universe is moving inexorably to "Maximum Entropy" or Heat Death.

 

Since we and the Universe are here "Matter/Energy", and "Nature" couldn't create the Universe...what is the only other choice?  To be an "Actual" Physicist and say there is "No GOD" is to deny the Veracity of the Foundation Cornerstone of your discipline....Immutable Laws of Physics; Tantamount to a Mechanic who denies the existence of a Gasoline Combustion Engine.

 

 

I asked if you can be a Christian and and a physicist at the same time. and you respond that you cannot be an atheist and a physicist at the same time? I am not sure that answers my question. I am pretty sure atheists cannot be confused with Christians.

So, I am having problems to understand your lines of reasoning, and probably this is also why I do not understand your lines of reasoning when you talk science.

 

Just to be sure that I followed correctly:

 

me: are you a physicist?

you: Nope...I am a Christian

me: What do you mean? Can't a Christian be a physicist?

you: Atheists cannot possibly be physicists

 

Is that what happened?