george w bush

[Steff]

The Congress shall have Power...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

.... no state shall engage in war WITHOUT the consent of congress. but congress gave consent to bush to engage in war if he felt necessary in a joint resolution in 10/02.

Explain to me which state engaged in war with Iraq? Utah? Wyoming? And when were they invaded by Iraq?

Anything not SPECIFICALLY granted is forbidden. Congress and ONLY congress may declare war. Where does it say that they can pass the buck to the President?

[Guest yod]

We are fighting state-sponsored terrorists who have no borders. It was decided by Congress that we should not name these states in any manner except "who support terrorism against us"

That is satisfactory to the majority of Congress and to America as shown in our last election.

[Steff]

That is satisfactory to the majority of Congress and to America as shown in our last election.

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case, people just don't know any better. I have a feeling that by the time they figure it out, it'll be too late.

Most people these days barely understand the difference between rights and privleges let alone a solid understanding of the foundation of our government and constitution.

[WayneB]

That is satisfactory to the majority of Congress and to America as shown in our last election.

Unfortunately I don't think this is the case, people just don't know any better. I have a feeling that by the time they figure it out, it'll be too late.

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You know Steff? Winston Churchill, who I noticed you quoted in your signature, said the very same thing back in 1939. ...and he was almost right. We almost waited to late to figure it out.

"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" --- Winston Churchill

[Guest LadyC]

steff, good grief! you're more knowledgeable than THAT!

countries are very frequently referred to as states! i know you hate the UN as much as i do, but go look at their list of membership... all countries are referred to as states, including the US. consider while you're at it what we call israel... it is a country, yet it is often referred to as an "independant state". look at the european union... all countries are referred to as "states"... austria, belgium, denmark, germany, italy... we call them countries, but in the language of international politics, they are "states". take a look at the list of members of the world trade organization (WTO)... the U.S. is collectively referred to as "a state". so it is in the list of world health organization (WHO) members, and the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons (OPCW) and world intellectual property organization (WIPO) etc. etc.

really, i'm astounded that the question you posed came from you! this stuff should be elementary to someone of your intelligence! in fact, i kinda think you were fully aware of this fact and the duality of the word, yet resorted to asking such a silly question because you couldn't come up with another argument off the top of your head!

[Guest LadyC]

oh, i missed your other question... "Where does it say that they can pass the buck to the President?" and your statement "Anything not SPECIFICALLY granted is forbidden."

in article 10 of our constitution SPECIFICALLY grants the congress the authority to give permission for war without declaring war... of course, i already answered that and posted the text of it, but you were too busy trying to make a case for the language of the article referring as only to individual states within the nation, rather than acknowledging that "no state" refers to both individual state and the collective whole.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

[Joe Christian]

Lady C, if you ever run for office, you have my vote!!! You know what Congress' and The Presidents' duties are more than they do, I believe.

[Guest LadyC]

Lady C, if you ever run for office, you have my vote!!! You know what Congress' and The Presidents' duties are more than they do, I believe. 

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but wait! if i ran for office, doesn't that mean i'd be having to babysit a bunch of people that didn't understand what they were supposed to do??? thank, but i'll pass!

besides, the first time i was seen enjoying a daquiri, or heard letting a cussword slip off my tongue in a moment of frustration, i'd be hung out to dry as a "non-christian" or "hypocrite" or "false prophet" or any number of judgements that i've seen bush labled with during the last four years... although i've never understood how someone who never claimed to be a prophet could be labled as a false one

[Work in Progress]

Seriously, anyone who quotes or references Michael Moore loses ALL credibility. It is akin to quoting Mickey Mouse or his girlfriend Minnie. Even the liberal media avoids Michael Moore. He is the Rush Limbaugh for the left...a joke that no one with any amount of intellect takes seriously.

Uh, Steff, "Iraq" (or, more specifically, Saddam Hussein) most definately was a threat to the U.S and all freedom loving people and most definately did have something to do with 9/11. Maybe he didn't fly the planes into the towers, maybe the terrorists weren't born in Iraq, but he harbored terrorists, and he paid them to be terrorists. Or, he paid their families. He harbored, embraced and encouraged those who are bent on doing exactly what the 9/11 terrorists did and that makes him far from innocent in my book.

[Steff]

steff, good grief! you're more knowledgeable than THAT!

countries are very frequently referred to as states! i know you hate the UN as much as i do, but go look at their list of membership... all countries are referred to as states, including the US. consider while you're at it what we call israel... it is a country, yet it is often referred to as an "independant state". look at the european union... all countries are referred to as "states"... austria, belgium, denmark, germany, italy... we call them countries, but in the language of international politics, they are "states". take a look at the list of members of the world trade organization (WTO)... the U.S. is collectively referred to as "a state". so it is in the list of world health organization (WHO) members, and the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons (OPCW) and world intellectual property organization (WIPO) etc. etc.

really, i'm astounded that the question you posed came from you! this stuff should be elementary to someone of your intelligence! in fact, i kinda think you were fully aware of this fact and the duality of the word, yet resorted to asking such a silly question because you couldn't come up with another argument off the top of your head!

in article 10 of our constitution SPECIFICALLY grants the congress the authority to give permission for war without declaring war... of course, i already answered that and posted the text of it, but you were too busy trying to make a case for the language of the article referring as only to individual states within the nation, rather than acknowledging that "no state" refers to both individual state and the collective whole.

Respectfully, LadyC you obviously have not read all of, nor understand the constitution which is very evident in your replies. Your second reply is categorically false.

Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article 1, Section 2

Clause 1:

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

The Constitution is VERY clear on what a state is. THERE IS NO DUAL MEANING. Quit participating in historical revisionim.Wherever the word State is mentioned it refers to an individual state and whereever the country as a whole is mentioned it is THE UNITED STATES.

Article 1, Section. 8.

Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Now explain to me again where it states congress can pass the buck to the president? Hint: You won't find it.

ARTICLE 1, Section 10

Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Limitations on the States of the union themselves

Clause 2: No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

Again limitations on the states of the union themselves

Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Again limitations on the states of the union themselves

Individual states CANNOT declare war on their own. This has nothing to do with THE UNITED STATES