what is the way.. for who died without hearing gospel.

[thereselittleflower]

 

Everything we need to know is in the Bible.   The Bible alone is the rule of Christian faith and practice.  If it is not in the Bible, we are not obligated to it. 

Amen brother!

 

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim3:16-17

 

 

 

That is indeed what scripture is useful for.

 

However, it does not say that everything of the all truth The Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles was written, contained in scirpture.

 

The scripture itself commands us to 

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15 

 

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.. 

 

So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and retain the doctrine which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.

 

So then, brethren, stand firm, and hold fast the instructions which ye have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.

 

 

I have yet to find a scripture that tells us everything taught by word of mouth was also written in scripture.  In fact, the scriptures demonstrate they were not:

 

 

Hebrews 5

 

 11Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 

 

Hebrews 6

1Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

 

The writer of Hebrews references the verbal teachings, the verbal traditions taught them, (some of which he went over again in Hebrews because they were not spiritually maturing), given as the foundation the writer seeks to build on, and then goes on to build on those  teachings given verbally. 

 

 

 

In the Old Testament, the pentateuch contains a Judaism 101.   It lays the foundation of Judaism.

 

In the New Testament there is nothing that corresponds to this, there is no Christianity 101, nothing that lays the foundation of Christianity.   What is in the New Testament builds on the foundation already laid by the Apostles,

 

None of the books of the New Testament were written to unbelievers.   None of the books of the New Testament were written to make converts.   None of the books of the New Testament were written to brand new christians who had not yet been taught the christian faith.  None of the books of the New Testament were written to lay the foundational principles/teachings of the christian faith.

 

Every book in the New Testament was written to believers who had already received the gospel and teaching of the Apostles.  They were written to christians who already had the foundation of the christian faith laid by the apostles verbally.  

 

The letters are written to BUILD ON TOP of that foundation already laid.       Sometimes they had to go over SOME of the foundational principles again.   Other times they built on what was taught already and so did not need to go over those foundational teachings, but simply refer to them in various ways, that today,  people interpret in various ways not having the verbal teaching of the Apostles on which the scriptures they read were built, but in the time of the Apostles, everyone understood clearly.

 

And so today you have those in various groups that have arisen since Luther disagreeing about very basic Christian beliefs, how we are saved, is our salvation once and for all, never to be lost?  Is our salvation something we can lose?   Do we have free will?   Is everything predetermined, and you can do nothing regarding whether you are saved or going to hell?    Do you need to be baptized in water to be saved?   Is Baptism a mere symbolic action??  Is it necessary?  etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

 

These are essential questions the various groups that have arisen since Luther disagree on which has led to factions and splits numbering in the thousands.   And this, it seems to me, is the result of these various groups relying on only one half of what we are commanded in scripture to hold to - only to what is written, while entirely ignoring we are also commanded to hold to what was taught verbally.

 

 If you had half the plans for a house, could you build the house?

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

A big question is here,, 

every minute many people going to die.. most of them are not hear the gospel gospel in their life time,,

what is the way for them,,?

God is not allowed them to hear gospel even one time in their whole life time

without hearing how they face the judging to go to hell?

is God is not gracious?

please share your views and faith on this topic,..

 

As a preacher i know some facts,, 

but i want to put some points here which points raised from non believers

 

1. How God can judge them to send to hell?

 

2. Many people are there in tribes and all generations who can not understand the God's call (without telling to them), so they face judgement?

 

3. Many people never hear the gospel of Christ who shed blood for them,, is there is any other way without blood of Christ?

 

please share your views which can help to other christian people and new people ,,, also to some ministers too,,

 

1. God is the creator [ and Father ] of all. He knows each of us intimately, as we know our own children. Who better [ or with more authority ] to judge?

 

2. We all face judgement. Luke 12:48 & 2 Cor. 5:10 should speak to you.

 

3. No, and although you have a burden in this, perhaps it is the dispensation of scripture that has created it.

[Guest shiloh357]

No, I am not contradicting myself.  I am not infallible and would never make a claim to be so.   But one does not have to be infallible to have certainty pertaining to some propositional matters.   

 

I can know truth without having to be infallible.   We can spot false doctrine and identify false doctrine without having to be infallible.   If we take your view on infallibility, then no one can have certainty on anything.   I can be have certainty regarding theological matters without having infallible knowledge or infallible practice.

[Guest shiloh357]

II Thessalonians chapter two is concerned with false teachers. In vv. 1-2, these false teachers were spreading a lie that the promised eschatological events concerning the coming of Christ and the Day of the Lord had already happened. They had been verbally taught and had received letters to that effect.

 

Paul was, in vv. 3-4, encouraging them not be deceived because the Day of the Lord was not going to come until a great falling away had taken place and the man of sin had been revealed.

 

In vv. 15-17 Paul's entire line of thought has come full circle and he is now saying, that they need to stand fast to the teachings they had received from the apostles both in written and verbal.

 

The use of the word "traditions"   is not a reference to some oral tradition in addition to Scripture.  But it refers simply to what they had received relative to the topic at hand which is eschatology.      Paul is telling the Thessalonians to reject the false teachings regarding the Day of the Lord they had heard from false teachers, and hold fast to the teachings they had received both in person and in the epistles regarding the coming Day of the Lord.

 

A person needs to pay attention to context.   Context is the first rule of thumb in exegesis.  You have to follow the line of thought.   The line of thought here is biblical end times prophecy and the "tradition"  being referenced is not "church tradition"   but the verbal teachings they had received which were the same in both the written letters they had received and in the verbal teachings they received from the apostles.   The clear implication is that the epistles and verbal teachings contained the same material.

 

Everything a Christian needs is in the Bible there are no extra-biblical traditions that are obligatory to a Christian and there are no Church traditions that are to observed as if they are on the same level as,  or greater level than Scripture. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Everyone standing at the Great White Throne is going to hell.  No one is getting a chance to get saved at that judgment.

[Guest shiloh357]

The book of life is opened only to reveal who is not written there.    When a person dies, their eternal fate is sealed.   If they rejected Jesus, they are gong to hell.  Their names will not be found in that book.

 

The day of judgment isn't to decide who goes to hell or not.  It isn't an evaluation for one's eternal state, either heaven or hell.  There may be differences in severity of punishment, but there are no chances after death to receive Jesus. Once you're dead, you're dead.   The only thing that the Day of Judgment is for is to cast those who rejected Jesus into the Lake of Fire.   They only look up their names to prove that God is not rash in judgment and to show them that their punishment is just. 

 

Of course, that doesn't apply to infants who are incapable of making a decision or understanding the Gospel.

[thereselittleflower]

Everyone standing at the Great White Throne is going to hell.  No one is getting a chance to get saved at that judgment.

 

 

I don't see that in scripture at all.   How you have come to this conclusion is beyond me.

 

Revelation 20:11-15King James Version (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

This does not say all were not found written in the book of life.

 

whosoever =/= everyone

 

If it means everyone there, then it means everyone here:

 

John 11:26

And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?

 

Is everyone going to be saved?

[Guest shiloh357]

All of the righteous dead were raised in the first resurrection.   If you were going to be with the Lord, you were raised in that resurrection.    The Great White Throne judgment is for all those in the second resurrection and according to Scripture none of these people are saved.   All of them will be cast into the Lake of Fire.   No one get's saved post mortem. Nothing in that passage indicates that anyone standing in front of that throne is saved.

 

The Great White Throne judgment is not a judgment to determine where you will spend eternity.  That is decided the moment you die.  This  is simply the sentencing of those whose names are not in the book of life.

[thereselittleflower]

All of the righteous dead were raised in the first resurrection.   If you were going to be with the Lord, you were raised in that resurrection.    The Great White Throne judgment is for all those in the second resurrection and according to Scripture none of these people are saved.   All of them will be cast into the Lake of Fire.   No one get's saved post mortem. Nothing in that passage indicates that anyone standing in front of that throne is saved.

 

The Great White Throne judgment is not a judgment to determine where you will spend eternity.  That is decided the moment you die.  This  is simply the sentencing of those whose names are not in the book of life.

 

Then why doesn't this verse in Revelation simply say they all went to hell?

 

It doesn't.

 

Whosever believes will never die.   Whosever was not found written in the book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

 

Whosever on one hand means not everyone, but whosever on the other means everyone?

 

Where is the logic in that? 

 

 

If this conflicts with what you understand the rest of Revelation to say, then it is not the scripture which contradicts itself, it is simply your understanding which contradicts scripture.    

 

So if you believe there were only the unsaved at the great white throne judgement, yet this scripture does not say everyone at the Great White Throne judgement is thrown into hell, then it's not the scripture that is at fault here.  It means your understanding of when and how things  happen is in error.

[Guest shiloh357]

It  DOES say that all went to hell.  That's the point.   No one standing there had their name in the book of life.   It doesn't say that some did and some didn't.   There is NOTHING in that passage that mentions anyone whose name is in that book.

 

Sorry, but you are simply not believing the Bible.