The Third Temple

[JohnD]

Furthermore:

The Golden Gate is located on the eastern side of Jerusalem's old city wall, thus one of names it is known by is an Eastern Gate. It faces the of Mount of Olives right across the Kidron valley. The Golden Gate is a structure that consists of the two gates that lead directly to the Temple Mount. In Jewish tradition, this is the gate through which the Anointed One (Messiah) will enter Jerusalem, and it is suggested that Suleiman the Magnificent sealed off the Golden Gate to prevent the Messiah's entrance.

Why would the Jews revere that gate if the actual eastern gate was destroyed (as you interpret Josephus)?

Why would Suleiman the Magnificent have even bothered with sealing it if it is not the Eastern Gate?

Too many things do not add up with your interpretation of Josephus or with the Tuvia Sagiv (southern location) theories.

[JohnD]

And what makes you think God will be leading them to the obsolete covenant?

They will be led to it, just not by God.

[JohnD]

Is the third temple the one that the antichrist will take over. Is that going to start. How long do you think it will take to build.

First of all show us from scripture where John says that their will be a single entity called the "Antichristos."  There is none. Antichristos is a word that is both singular and plural like deer and sheep in English. It's up to the translator how it is used. You cannot do it because it is simply not there. There is no 21st+ century boogeyman known as "Antichrist." Start at the beginning will you - and don't just parrot what others say.

Second, the temple of Ezekiel is a symbolic picture of the New Covenant Church couched in symbols that could be understood by the people to whom it was directly written to - the first century Christians. It already has been built by the suffering of Jesus.

Your interpretation of 1 John 2:18 misses entirely the point that the false messiah who goes by many descriptions (not just the Greek for false messiah antichristos) is a personal individual with satanic indwelling and will come in the end time of the last days to mislead the world. 

1 John 2:18 (AV)

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 (AV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (AV)

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Matthew 24:24 (AV)

24 For there shall arise false Christs*, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

*pseudochristos (which as you pointed out can be interpreted to be one)

Revelation 13:1–5 (AV)

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Zechariah 11:17 (AV)

17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Daniel 9:27 (AV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:11–12 (AV)

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Edited September 24, 2015 by JohnD

[JohnD]

He will not take over the temple, he will build the temple as a sign to the Jews who are looking for this attribute in a messiah.

[Ezra]

 

Your interpretation of 1 John 2:18 misses entirely the point that the false messiah who goes by many descriptions (not just the Greek for false messiah antichristos) is a personal individual with satanic indwelling and will come in the end time of the last days to mislead the world.

Exactly.  There is so much spiritual confusion (and irrelevance) on this thread that it would be impossible to address each point. There is a prophecy regarding THE MAN OF SIN who will sit IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD and call himself "GOD", written just before the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Since there is no Temple in Jerusalem at this time, and since Paul was writing with the full knowledge of the prophecies of Christ (including that of the Abomination of Desolation) one has to do a great deal of violence to Scripture in order to "spiritualize" away everything and then talk about the Church  being the Temple of the Holy Spirit (totally irrelevant).  The Third Temple will become a reality and will then be replaced by the Fourth Temple (the true Temple).

[Last Daze]

one has to do a great deal of violence to Scripture in order to "spiritualize" away everything and then talk about the Church  being the Temple of the Holy Spirit (totally irrelevant).

Not totally irrelevant, just requires discernment.  Let the reader understand.

[BlindSeeker]

Is the third temple the one that the antichrist will take over. Is that going to start. How long do you think it will take to build.

First of all show us from scripture where John says that their will be a single entity called the "Antichristos."  There is none. Antichristos is a word that is both singular and plural like deer and sheep in English. It's up to the translator how it is used. You cannot do it because it is simply not there. There is no 21st+ century boogeyman known as "Antichrist." Start at the beginning will you - and don't just parrot what others say.

Second, the temple of Ezekiel is a symbolic picture of the New Covenant Church couched in symbols that could be understood by the people to whom it was directly written to - the first century Christians. It already has been built by the suffering of Jesus.

Your interpretation of 1 John 2:18 misses entirely the point that the false messiah who goes by many descriptions (not just the Greek for false messiah antichristos) is a personal individual with satanic indwelling and will come in the end time of the last days to mislead the world. 

1 John 2:18 (AV)

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 (AV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (AV)

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Matthew 24:24 (AV)

24 For there shall arise false Christs*, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

*pseudochristos (which as you pointed out can be interpreted to be one)

Revelation 13:1–5 (AV)

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Zechariah 11:17 (AV)

17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Daniel 9:27 (AV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:11–12 (AV)

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

You should do research on Adso of Montier-en-Der and his “Letter to Queen Gerberga on the Place and Time of Antichrist,” which became known as the “Little Book on the Antichrist.” He was a Catholic monk who penned this as a rebuttal against the true believers who rejected catholicism and recognised the position of the papacy as that of a liar and false apostle, and the fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 3-4 as "that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." Only two places "son of perdition" is used in scriptures, both addressing false apostles. For even though Jesus selected Judas, he had a devil and was not a true apostle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is only within the last 100-120 years that protestant churches have abandoned their awareness of Paul's words being fulfilled in this Mother of Harlot religious system with its false apostle and prophet and has embraced this idiot-ology birth by the harlot system itself to resist the truth. Why?

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2 Timothy 4:1 -  I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Likewise, the other verses you've posted have sound biblical answers to them as well. Especially Daniel 9:27 which has literally been corrupted from what the majority of non-catholic believers have understood and taught for hundreds of years. Sadly though the seduction of Christianity has resulted in a reduction of most "believers" ability nowadays to endure the rigours of proving all things. Many of them will never find the truth since they are pathetically too lazy to truly seek it. Instead at best they can only regurgitate what they have been taught and are convinced that they could not possibly be wrong but are possessors of the truth and everyone else has to be wrong. They have learned to prejudicially read scriptures in the light of their theology and have no clue how to properly examine their theology in the light of the scriptures. When put to a thorough cross-examination they quickly get frustrated if the answers they are presented with are more than a tweet long or requires them to take more than 5-10 minutes of web searching to find other like-minded opinions to assure them they are still correct when they have been scripturally challenged. Such will hang their heads in shame when reproved of the Lord for their slothfulness and arrogance of theology.

[WilliamL]

I have read your post, and I will study what you have put forward, because it rings true.

I don't know too much about how the AD is applied, because it is mentioned in conjunction with the apostasy of Israel in the days prior to the Babylonian captivity, and then Jesus picks up on it in Matthew - saying that the disciples would see a manifestation of it.

I used to think that the AD had something to do with the Roman army, but that does not seem to be the case, because it seems to be related to apostasy, which is a religious thing, not primarily civil or military. So could it be that when the leaders of Israel had totally rejected the ministry of the disciples that, they were the AD standing in the holy place? And that this condition removed the protection of God from Israel against Rome?

In regards to the temple or holy place, does that differ from the holy mountain? Which we read of in Daniel 11:45.

Lev. 7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God. 26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

The term abomination of desolation is a specific Hebraism that refers to idolatry being set up in the Lord's Temple. This took place historically in 168 BC when Antiochus Epiphanes did just that: he set up an idol in the Temple, after he had plundered it and driven out the priests and Levites. This was completely accurately foretold by the prophet Daniel:

Dan. 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. ... 13 ... How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the the transgression of desolation...

Dan. 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Therefore, when Jesus used this term in Matt. 24:15, his disciples knew of what kind of event he was referring: a false deity "standing in the Holy Place," that is, the site of the Temple's ancient sanctuary. That holy place was on Mount Moriah, aka the Temple Mount, to which Dan. 11:45 refers.

[mevosper]

He will not take over the temple, he will build the temple as a sign to the Jews who are looking for this attribute in a messiah.

where do you find this in scripture: "he (Antichrist) will build the temple"? Do you see this as being the only way to fulfill the "Antichrist/3rd temple/Abomination that causes desolation" event? The logic here seems to be a man-made theory in order to fulfill a misunderstood prophecy. 

 

one has to do a great deal of violence to Scripture in order to "spiritualize" away everything and then talk about the Church  being the Temple of the Holy Spirit (totally irrelevant).

Not totally irrelevant, just requires discernment.  Let the reader understand.

Agreed, Last Daze. I'm not sure how one can completely ignore Christ calling his body a temple, and then again Paul preaching that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Wouldn't these two passages help one to understand what temple is being talked about and what throne the anti-christ would sit upon? God even himself says he will write his laws on fleshy tables of the heart. Where once they were written on stone tablets. This seems to me to be pointing to the body, the physical flesh and blood body, as the temple.  

[Last Daze]

one has to do a great deal of violence to Scripture in order to "spiritualize" away everything and then talk about the Church  being the Temple of the Holy Spirit (totally irrelevant).

Not totally irrelevant, just requires discernment.  Let the reader understand.

Agreed, Last Daze. I'm not sure how one can completely ignore Christ calling his body a temple, and then again Paul preaching that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Wouldn't these two passages help one to understand what temple is being talked about and what throne the anti-christ would sit upon? God even himself says he will write his laws on fleshy tables of the heart. Where once they were written on stone tablets. This seems to me to be pointing to the body, the physical flesh and blood body, as the temple.  

It seems that when wisdom or understanding is called for (being born again, seeing the AoD, the seven heads, etc.)  there is both a natural and a spiritual application.  I see the Abomination of Desolation affecting both Israel naturally and believers spiritually since they're on parallel tracks.  Israel is made desolate as it is forced to flee to the wilderness and believers are made desolate during the great tribulation.

And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.....So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.  Revelation 12:13-14,17

That shows the AoD's effect on both the natural and spiritual, as I see it.