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Truebeliever, even if you are correct, and I am not agreeing with everything you say here, but even if what you say was totally true, your attitude draws an extreamly strong vacuum, and your writing exposes it to the world.

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other one,

what did you just say? I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. And as far as my attitude I try to keep it as neutral as I can so not to anger anyone.

God bless read and believe

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Maybe I am just overly sensetive but:

John 17 is all the proof I need to believe what I believe it is Jesus praying to His Father. The only way to not see it is being deceived by satan and if you are deceived by satan the bad thing is your not going to know because you are deceived. I really don't see the heresy in my beliefs I believe God sent His Son for us to have a way to Him(God). The only one that doesn't want you to believe in Jesus is satan remember satan is anti-christ.

In trying to get someone to understand you, this, to me, is down right offensive. Maybe I took it wrong, but it sounds to me like you are saying that a person has to agree with you or he is of the devil.

It sort of set off my "Oh yeah" button

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Truebeliever, even if you are correct, and I am not agreeing with everything you say here, but even if what you say was totally true, your attitude draws an extreamly strong vacuum, and your writing exposes it to the world.

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other one,

what did you just say? I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. And as far as my attitude I try to keep it as neutral as I can so not to anger anyone.

God bless read and believe

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Maybe I am just overly sensetive but:

John 17 is all the proof I need to believe what I believe it is Jesus praying to His Father. The only way to not see it is being deceived by satan and if you are deceived by satan the bad thing is your not going to know because you are deceived. I really don't see the heresy in my beliefs I believe God sent His Son for us to have a way to Him(God). The only one that doesn't want you to believe in Jesus is satan remember satan is anti-christ.

In trying to get someone to understand you, this, to me, is down right offensive. Maybe I took it wrong, but it sounds to me like you are saying that a person has to agree with you or he is of the devil.

It sort of set off my "Oh yeah" button

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other one'

thanks for answering I understand what you are saying and I apologize if it upset you, And of course we will be offended if someone comes and tells us we are wrong. I do not mean to put anyone elses beliefs down nor do I intend to greave anyone. This is my only intension and apologize if I am offending anyone.

James 5:19-20

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,

20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

(NKJ)

I know what I know, and those that are deceived are going to be offended no one likes to be told they are wrong especially about their religious belief.

Please ask yourselfs this, what is so wrong about what I am saying? I am giving honor and glory to both the Father and the Son. To the Father for making the supreme sacrifice of His Son so I can have a way to the Father and eternal life. And honor and glory to the Son for making the sacrifice of Himself and showing me what obedience and suffering are about by doing His Fathers will.

If people can find anything wrong with that then maybe they do need to reevaluate their beliefs. By showing Jesus all the respect honor and glory it has to be pleasing to God for us to recognize the sacrifice that He and His son made for us.

And to me to turn around and say Jesus was God would destroy all that because if Jesus were God then there wasn't a sacrifice made on anyones part. God being and all knowing and the alfa and omega what was He sacrificing if what others says is true and He came down in the form of Jesus Christ? Besides scripture says God is spirit.

John 4:23-24

23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

(NKJ)

Jesus has the nature of God and the Spirit of God and attributes(I think that is the word I am looking for) of God, but to say Jesus is God is just not right.

I will be taking leave of this board for know Lord willing I will return but all has been said that can be said besides we are all to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phil 2:12-15

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,

15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

God bless read and believe


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Truebeliever.

I wrote...

From these statements I drew the following conclusions.

1. You deny Christ is G-d.

2. He is therefore not equal with G-d.

3. He cannot be Eternal.

4. He must be a created being.

To which you replied....

1. I believe Jesus is the Son of God not God.

Col 1:15

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

(NKJ)

If Jesus is the firstborn over all creation He can't be God because God has been around forever and if you look up the word"image" you will find the definition to be likeness or resemblance which does not mean original but copy.

1. You deny Christ is G-d.

A)...The very term 'Son of G-d' speaks of the eternal relationship between the Father and the Son but in most instances it also speaks of equality with G-d...being 'of the same essence'...the same 'substance'. The Jews knew and understood this very well.

The way in which you use the title 'Son of G-d' is not according to its fullest sense and certainly not according to truth.

Satans main objective is to discredit the L-rd by obscuring and denying who He has truely revealed Himself to be.

Mat 4:3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.

and yet the demonic world recogized Him and had to bow before Him..

Mark 3:11 The unclean spirits, whenever they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, "You are the Son of God!"

The all encompassing glory that is revealed in the title is seen here...

Luke 22:70 They all said, "Are you then the Son of God?" He said to them, "You say it, because I AM."

The Father testifies from Heaven of the glory of the Son...

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Confessing Jesus as the Son of G-d is a matter of personal revelation by the Spirit of G-d that He is indeed very G-d...and any confession that falls short of this has not yet seen and understood who the Son is.

1John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Yeshua is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.

2. I didn't say that you did. Again you assumed that is what I believed. That is part of the problem we take our human knowledge and try to make what we feel is a logical conclusion but we forget that we are talking about Godly spiritual things were logic does not apply.

Phil 2:5-6

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

(NKJ)

There again Jesus being in the "form" of God. definition of form shape or nature, but not the original.

2. He is therefore not equal with G-d.

B)...You are saying the same thing again...that Jesus is not equal with G-d but you are having difficulty articululating this thought because Scripture does not support it at all.

You cannot with one breath say that I mis-understand and misrepresent what you are saying because I assume you have said Jesus is not equal....you have stated catagorically that He is a created being...therefore He cannot be equal with the Father.

In truth what you are intimating is that there are two G-ds...the Father who is the greater and Jesus who is the lesser...what other conclusion can a person draw?

3. Again your words not mine. You appear to be drawing conclusions again.

John 3:36

36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

(NKJ)

3. He cannot be Eternal.

C...Again if as you suppose Jesus is a created being...then He cannot be eternal in the sense that He is without beginning and without end...you are dodging the implications of what you are denying.

Jesus was with the Father in the beginning from all eternity.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

4. Well Col 1:15 answers that now doesn't it?

Col 1:15

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

(NKJ)

4. He must be a created being

D)...You are assuming Colossians is saying that Jesus is a created being...it is not.

It is talking of His pre-eminence over all creation...this is clearly seen in the context of the rest of the passage.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

quote Botz;

"You even go on to make the point that everyone who believes that Jesus is G-d has been deceived by Satan...I would say this comes close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit whose job it is to reveal the L-rd to each of us."

It appears that you do not know the bible very well or maybe just don't have the understanding yet I didn't take that into consideration and I owe you an apology if that is the case. You see the verse below tells me to try to set my brethren on the right course. And the truth is Jesus Christ.

James 5:19-20

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,

20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

(NKJ)

And the truth is Jesus Christ. So if you think He is the Father when He isn't I can try to turn you from the error of your way.

John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

(NKJ)

In spite of your disparaging and condecending remarks I do know my Bible reasonably well which is why I am speaking out against your heretical stance because you are denying the Son.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

I have in no way claimed that Jesus is the Father as you make out. Although Isaiah calls Him the Eternal Father.!! I recognize the distinctions within the G-dhead...and at the same time I see the unity...perhaps you should take your own advice to me about the use of logic against spiritual discernment.(see No2 of your argument). None of us can ever fathom G-d...but we can remain safely within the boundaries of His revealed truth.

What do you think the scriptures below means? What do you think the narrow gate represents? What do you think the false prophets are going to try to deceive

you away from? There are many that go the way of the wide gate. And there sure are alot of people who think Jesus is God and few who go by the way of the narrow gate and know that Jesus is the Son of God and not God.

Matt 7:13-16

13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

16 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

(NKJ)

You are bringing the wrong criteria of judgement on this passage.

There are many relatively small groups of people who call themselves 'Christian' and take a certain solace from this Scripture as it seems to succour them with the notion that their small group is part of those who have gone through the narrow gate.

What is being said is that the way to eternal life is not obvious...it is to some degree hidden and needs to be searched out....whereas the pathway to eternal damnation is a well worn path and many are on it.

In the scheme of the Eternal viewed as it were from the Throne of G-d in Heaven...even though there are millions upon millions who have entered by the narrow gate...these are few in number compared to the multitudes that have gone on to eternal destruction.

In the first years that the Gospel was preached thousands upon thousands of Jewish men and women turned to their Messiah...it is estimated that by the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt that maybe a third of the nation believed in the Saviour.

In the Holocaust where 6 million Jews died it is estimated that 1,000,000 came to know the Messiah through the witness of faithful brethren who preached Yeshua and then died together with them in the Gas Chambers.

So don't try and twist this Scripture to accomodate and justify the paucity of those that follow the same creed that you do.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

I know the Holy Spirit and have been taught by Him for the last 11 years as for you I do not know if you even know the Holy Spirit and how He teaches you. I know how the Holy Spirit teaches me and that is how I know which scriptures to answer you with. The only thing I have done wrong is to put more of my own words into my explanation than I should. I don't mind being called a heretic or a blasphemer because Jesus was called the some of the same things and everyone that brought Jesus Christ to people has been called them. But you might want to be careful for what we sow we will reap. And I do not grow weary.

Gal 6:8-9

8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.

(NKJ)

Matt 12:36-37

36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

(NKJ)

If you think for one minute the Holy Spirit has taught you that the Son of G-d is a created being..you are grossly deceived. Also your grasp of the Scriptures is not as good as you seem to think it is.

I do consider my words very carefully and I do not lightly call someones doctrine heretical but you have given me no alternative and I want to sound the alarm so that others are not seduced by clever words or manipulation of the Scriptures in the way you have delighted to do...at the same time believe it or not I am very concerned for you.

The spirit of anti-Christ denies the Son.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Posted (edited)

Why so blind

this is way off topic but am answering a question.

hmmm

Lets look at something. Am just posting a few scriptures. There are many.

1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Exo 34:29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

Exo 34:30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit they not only became aware of their nakedness, there was a change within. That word naked or erom comes from aram, to be cunning or crafty in a bad sense. They were then separated from God. Something left them that they realized they were different. And since God is light, and man then became darkened within, is easy to see it was the light of God that left. They were transferred into the kingdom of darkness. It says it plain as day in the new testament that when born again, we are translated out of that kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of His own dear son.

And last but not least:

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

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Posted
I have said Jesus is not God and I said He is the Son of God and I have the verses to prove that...

<_< You really meant to say that???? :taped:

Colossians 2

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority

AMEN! God's Word is crystal clear on the issue of the divity of Jesus Christ, who presented Himself as I AM. [John 8:58]

Enough said TB.

Great post brother Botz. :huh:

Be Blessed,

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Posted (edited)

His_Servant,

I think you ask a great question. I believe in the trinity doctrine.

And it takes courage to tell people that you don't understand this. Alot of us Christians don't really understand this, but this is just because we are so limited as humans.

I would 1st tell you that these questions require prayer and guidance from God. But everything that is essential to salvation is in God's Word. Continue to study and pray.

Here is how I belive the Bible explains the trinity:

In 1John 5:7 it says - "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one ."

They are one.

I simply believe this...there are 3 literal individuals. This is not 3 God's where like the heathen...one god is over the ocean, once god is over the sky.

No. They are one in purpose, and one in power.

When we pray...we don't have to say seperate prayers for Jesus or for The Father. When you pray to Jesus...you are also praying to the Father.

The trinity, to me, can best be describe in marriage:

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh ." Geneisis 2:24

There 2 individuals in a marriage, but God says that they are one. In my opinion this is one of the best ways for us to understand the trinity.

Continue to pray and study and God will give that which you need for your salvation.

Love, SDA :emot-questioned:

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Thanks SOOO much! God Bless You!

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I have said Jesus is not God and I said He is the Son of God and I have the verses to prove that...

:wub: You really meant to say that???? :wub:

Colossians 2

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority

AMEN! God's Word is crystal clear on the issue of the divity of Jesus Christ, who presented Himself as I AM. [John 8:58]

Enough said TB.

Great post brother Botz. :thumbsup:

Be Blessed,

Wayne

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If Jesus were God then Jesus wouldn't need to deny you before His Father because you would have already denied Him to God who you say is Jesus. Now that just sounds stupid doesn't it?

Matt 10:33

33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

(NKJ)

John 10:36-37

36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;

(NKJ)

John the Baptist;

John 1:33-34

33 "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, 'Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'

34 "And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God."

(NKJ)

Jesus;

Luke 22:70

70 Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am."

(NKJ)

Things God did;

Heb 2:7-9

7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.

8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

(NKJ)

Jesus being sent by God

John 8:26-29

26 "I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him."

27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.

28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.

29 "And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."

(NKJ)

John 8:25-30

25 Then they said to Him, "Who are You?" And Jesus said to them, "Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.

26 "I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him."

27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.

28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.

29 "And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."

30 As He spoke these words, many believed in Him.

(NKJ)

John 11:41-42

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.

42 "And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me."

(NKJ)

One God the Father and One Son Jesus Christ;

1 Tim 2:5-6

5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

(NKJ)

Being condemned;

John 3:18-19

18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

(NKJ)

Jesus has life in Himself sperate of God and has been given authority over all;

John 5:26-31

26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

27 "and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice

29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

31 "If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.

(NKJ)

If you don't believe Jesus is the Son of God then you don't have life in His name;

John 20:31

31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

(NKJ)

Jesus tempted;

Heb 4:14-16

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

(NKJ)

God can not be tempted;

James 1:13

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

(NKJ)

God Bless read and believe


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Posted

There are many who use the term 'Son of G-d' and will say that they believe in the Son of G-d and yet what they mean by it and what the Scriptures reveal are two different things...they confound the nature of the Son,are confused about His essence and cannot fathom His eternal relationship with the Father...so you have to test the spirit behind the words....but the words reveal the heart.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Luke 6:45 The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings out that which is good, and the evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings out that which is evil, for out of the abundance of the heart, his mouth speaks.

Jesus tempted;

Heb 4:14-16

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

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God can not be tempted;

James 1:13

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

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This sort of slip-shod exergesis is used in an attempt to demonstrate that Jesus was tempted and G-d cannot be tempted and therefore Jesus is not G-d.

Jesus was indeed tempted...but He could not be drawn into temptation. Just as G-d was tempted but was not drawn into temptation because it is an impossibility in the very defining of the nature of G-d.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

Psalm 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.

Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Psalm 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Psalm 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.

Far from disproving the true nature of the L-rd Jesus the whole concept of temptation only confirms that our Great High-Priest is both fully man and fully G-d...and that He never sinned...If you can receive it...He did not fall short of the glory of G-d!

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

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