xyluz Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 But the bible clearly states, you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart...There is no alternative... or is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Do you think God would be unjust to say nope you may believe in your heart but if you are unable to speak you are going down to hell? If a person believes and confesses before man in some way, even if its nonverbal because they cannot speak, then I believe that God is just and saves them. If you read the next verse in that passage .... 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) But the bible clearly states, you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart...There is no alternative... or is there? Question: "Is public confession necessary for salvation (Romans 10:9-10)?"Answer: Romans 10:9-10 is a passage which is often used by many a well-meaning Christian in his/her endeavor to bring someone to a profession of faith in Christ. “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.”This passage is not to be understood to mean that one is brought to salvation by means of an audible profession. We know that salvation is by grace through the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), not by confession. Therefore, as with all Scripture, context is of critical importance if we are to understand this passage. At the time of the writing of the book of Romans, as a nation, the Jews had rejected Jesus as their Messiah. For an individual to accept Christ and confess that He was the Messiah would typically result in persecution and ultimately death. At this time, for a Jew to embrace Christ and subsequently confess Him as Lord, knowing that persecution was sure to come, was an indication of true salvation and the work of the Holy Spirit. Outward professions of faith are rare when one’s life is at stake, and no more so than in the early church. The phrase “you will be saved,” is not intended to reveal a condition for salvation by public confession, but rather a definite fact that no one facing death would confess Christ as Messiah, unless indeed he/she was saved.This is further backed by verse 10, wherein we read, “For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” The Greek can be rendered in view of an acknowledgment by confession in the attitude of thanksgiving. But why would an individual give thanks for something which he/she has not yet received? When we get to verse 13, we read that “…whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Verse 14, however, indicates that calling upon the Lord is the privilege given to those who are already redeemed: “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?” Further, in verse 12, we read, “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek – for the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” Clearly, the phrase “richly blesses all who call on him” cannot be speaking of salvation, as those that were called were already saved by faith. Thus, it refers to the provisions enjoyed following salvation.To conclude, Romans 10:9-10 is not establishing public confession as a prerequisite for salvation. Rather, it is asserting that when a Jew embraced Christ and subsequently confessed Him as Lord, knowing that persecution was sure to come, one could rest assured that individual was indeed saved. For us today, the passage is equally true. Those who are saved will confess Christ as Lord because He has already instilled faith in their hearts. As with baptism and all good works, public confession is not the means of salvation; it is the evidence of salvation.http://www.gotquestions.org/public-confession.html Edited August 24, 2015 by bopeep1909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,147 Content Per Day: 4.61 Reputation: 27,842 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Blessings xyluz,,,, Our hearts have "eyes",our spirits "grumble & moan",.........God hears our prayers before we even speak themKing James BibleAnd it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear Isaiah 65:24 God knows our hearts,speech is not necessary for God to hear the confession made with the mouth,,,,,,,and to God be the Glory! With love-in Christ,kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Jesus tells us that he and he alone decides who is selected...... and though he did tell us how we can be assured of salvation, I don't think we should be deciding for him who to reject...... he knows our hearts from the inside out, and it seems we don't even know half the people we think we know.... Two of the most ready people I have known in my life ended up molesting their own children..... You don't know anyone really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Jesus tells us that he and he alone decides who is selected...... and though he did tell us how we can be assured of salvation, I don't think we should be deciding for him who to reject...... he knows our hearts from the inside out, and it seems we don't even know half the people we think we know.... Two of the most ready people I have known in my life ended up molesting their own children..... You don't know anyone really.Jesus loves everyone.That is tragic when parents molest their children.But if these people ask Jesus Christ into their lives and ask for forgiveness they will go to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyluz Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Jesus tells us that he and he alone decides who is selected...... and though he did tell us how we can be assured of salvation, I don't think we should be deciding for him who to reject...... he knows our hearts from the inside out, and it seems we don't even know half the people we think we know.... Two of the most ready people I have known in my life ended up molesting their own children..... You don't know anyone really.I'm guessing you don't mean Christ picks those who are saved... but that since he sees our hearts, he knows those who are truly saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Jesus tells us that he and he alone decides who is selected...... and though he did tell us how we can be assured of salvation, I don't think we should be deciding for him who to reject...... he knows our hearts from the inside out, and it seems we don't even know half the people we think we know.... Two of the most ready people I have known in my life ended up molesting their own children..... You don't know anyone really.I'm guessing you don't mean Christ picks those who are saved... but that since he sees our hearts, he knows those who are truly saved.God sees our hearts.He does not go by what we confess with our lips because that can be deceiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2015 Jesus tells us that he and he alone decides who is selected...... and though he did tell us how we can be assured of salvation, I don't think we should be deciding for him who to reject...... he knows our hearts from the inside out, and it seems we don't even know half the people we think we know.... Two of the most ready people I have known in my life ended up molesting their own children..... You don't know anyone really.I'm guessing you don't mean Christ picks those who are saved... but that since he sees our hearts, he knows those who are truly saved.Nope, I mean he is the judge and he and he alone decides who is going to be with him throughout eternity. If you hear of him and follow his directions you can be assured of salvation...... but in the end it is he that decides what's in your heart, and if you maintain a bad spirit (living a life of willful sin) nothing you do can change what he will do with you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyluz Posted August 24, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Nope, I mean he is the judge and he and he alone decides who is going to be with him throughout eternity. If you hear of him and follow his directions you can be assured of salvation...... but in the end it is he that decides what's in your heart, and if you maintain a bad spirit (living a life of willful sin) nothing you do can change what he will do with you.....I don't agree... each person is responsible for his heart... except you can support your claim with scripture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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