Democrats clinch critical votes for Iran nuclear deal

[OldSchool2]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it....

... but no one's running on it.

There's a world of legal difference between a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court and an executive action by Obama.

 While you are bikeshedding on my choice of issues,  you are missing the point....

I think you missed the point of this thread: Democrats clinch critical votes (emphasis mine) for Iran nuclear deal.  

 Perhaps you missed the post by at least two others speaking of the view of the electorate on this topic and saying this will affect the reelection of the Democrats in Congress. 

Go read those post and then you will be able to understand my post.

Did you forget to say "please"?

If not, I have some suggestions as to where you can "go".

[Flames of Liberty]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

No, he is not right.   Polls are almost always skewed to get the results the pollster wants.   Polls are based on small numbers of people in certain parts of the country.   If you take Poll in New England, you will different results than if you took the same poll in E. Tennessee or Louisiana. 

So yes, if you want results that show that most people don't care about this, then put your polls consistently in areas where most people don't care.   It also depends on how you ask the question, as well.

The problem is that so many in the media skew things to reflect their views and they make sure they ask the low information crowd.  That always helps.

I think mainstream America is far more against this than the polls and the media lead people to believe.  Data is easily manipulated.

 On what do you base your belief that mainstream America is far more against this then the polls lead people to believe? 

What is your source of data about the views of those outside of your circle?

[Flames of Liberty]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it....

... but no one's running on it.

There's a world of legal difference between a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court and an executive action by Obama.

 While you are bikeshedding on my choice of issues,  you are missing the point....

I think you missed the point of this thread: Democrats clinch critical votes (emphasis mine) for Iran nuclear deal.  

 Perhaps you missed the post by at least two others speaking of the view of the electorate on this topic and saying this will affect the reelection of the Democrats in Congress. 

Go read those post and then you will be able to understand my post.

Did you forget to say "please"?

If not, I have some suggestions as to where you can "go".

If you wish to remain in the dark that is of no consequence to me.  Some people pick bliss over knowledge. 

[OldSchool2]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it....

... but no one's running on it.

There's a world of legal difference between a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court and an executive action by Obama.

 While you are bikeshedding on my choice of issues,  you are missing the point....

I think you missed the point of this thread: Democrats clinch critical votes (emphasis mine) for Iran nuclear deal. 

 Perhaps you missed the post by at least two others speaking of the view of the electorate on this topic and saying this will affect the reelection of the Democrats in Congress. 

Go read those post and then you will be able to understand my post.

Did you forget to say "please"?

If not, I have some suggestions as to where you can "go".

If you wish to remain in the dark that is of no consequence to me.  Some people pick bliss over knowledge. 

Your posts aren't the font of knowledge and light that you think they are; in fact, many of them are inconsequential.

[Guest shiloh357]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

No, he is not right.   Polls are almost always skewed to get the results the pollster wants.   Polls are based on small numbers of people in certain parts of the country.   If you take Poll in New England, you will different results than if you took the same poll in E. Tennessee or Louisiana. 

So yes, if you want results that show that most people don't care about this, then put your polls consistently in areas where most people don't care.   It also depends on how you ask the question, as well.

The problem is that so many in the media skew things to reflect their views and they make sure they ask the low information crowd.  That always helps.

I think mainstream America is far more against this than the polls and the media lead people to believe.  Data is easily manipulated.

 On what do you base your belief that mainstream America is far more against this then the polls lead people to believe? 

What is your source of data about the views of those outside of your circle?

I pay more attention to social media than polls and majority hue and cry I see from people's Twitter accounts and on Facebook is calls, from both liberals and conservatives is to reject the Iran deal.   The polls are not conducted by disinterested parties.  But what I have seen from both sides is a constant call to reject the Iran deal and only a few posts that have the temerity to publicly support the deal.  Social media, as much as I hate to admit it, is becoming a good way of tracking what people actually think, at least the people who are not hung up on the brain candy of Soda Crush and Cookie Jam.

The politicians who are beholden to Obama are the ones who support this deal and they are doing it likely against the will of their constituents.

[Flames of Liberty]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

No, he is not right.   Polls are almost always skewed to get the results the pollster wants.   Polls are based on small numbers of people in certain parts of the country.   If you take Poll in New England, you will different results than if you took the same poll in E. Tennessee or Louisiana. 

So yes, if you want results that show that most people don't care about this, then put your polls consistently in areas where most people don't care.   It also depends on how you ask the question, as well.

The problem is that so many in the media skew things to reflect their views and they make sure they ask the low information crowd.  That always helps.

I think mainstream America is far more against this than the polls and the media lead people to believe.  Data is easily manipulated.

 On what do you base your belief that mainstream America is far more against this then the polls lead people to believe? 

What is your source of data about the views of those outside of your circle?

 

I pay more attention to social media than polls and majority hue and cry I see from people's Twitter accounts and on Facebook is calls, from both liberals and conservatives is to reject the Iran deal.   The polls are not conducted by disinterested parties.  But what I have seen from both sides is a constant call to reject the Iran deal and only a few posts that have the temerity to publicly support the deal.  Social media, as much as I hate to admit it, is becoming a good way of tracking what people actually think, at least the people who are not hung up on the brain candy of Soda Crush and Cookie Jam.

The politicians who are beholden to Obama are the ones who support this deal and they are doing it likely against the will of their constituents.

In this thread polls have been dismissed for being too narrow in sample size and for bring done by biased groups. 

Any yet your social media circle, which is undoubtedly smaller and less diverse than the sampling practices of polling companies,  is good enough to base the temperament of the entire electorate on.

Based upon your actions on this forum in the short time I have been here, you are incredibly biased and totally intolerant of those who disagree with you.  So the idea your social media network is somehow diverse and made up of many people who don't think like you is a bit hard to find credible. 

Here is a tip,  legit polling organizations publish their methodology,  their sampling strategies and the expansion factors they use.  Read these and it is simple to find which ones to put weight in.

[Guest shiloh357]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

No, he is not right.   Polls are almost always skewed to get the results the pollster wants.   Polls are based on small numbers of people in certain parts of the country.   If you take Poll in New England, you will different results than if you took the same poll in E. Tennessee or Louisiana. 

So yes, if you want results that show that most people don't care about this, then put your polls consistently in areas where most people don't care.   It also depends on how you ask the question, as well.

The problem is that so many in the media skew things to reflect their views and they make sure they ask the low information crowd.  That always helps.

I think mainstream America is far more against this than the polls and the media lead people to believe.  Data is easily manipulated.

 On what do you base your belief that mainstream America is far more against this then the polls lead people to believe? 

What is your source of data about the views of those outside of your circle?

 

I pay more attention to social media than polls and majority hue and cry I see from people's Twitter accounts and on Facebook is calls, from both liberals and conservatives is to reject the Iran deal.   The polls are not conducted by disinterested parties.  But what I have seen from both sides is a constant call to reject the Iran deal and only a few posts that have the temerity to publicly support the deal.  Social media, as much as I hate to admit it, is becoming a good way of tracking what people actually think, at least the people who are not hung up on the brain candy of Soda Crush and Cookie Jam.

The politicians who are beholden to Obama are the ones who support this deal and they are doing it likely against the will of their constituents.

In this thread polls have been dismissed for being too narrow in sample size and for bring done by biased groups. 

Any yet your social media circle, which is undoubtedly smaller and less diverse than the sampling practices of polling companies,  is good enough to base the temperament of the entire electorate on.

Based upon your actions on this forum in the short time I have been here, you are incredibly biased and totally intolerant of those who disagree with you.  So the idea your social media network is somehow diverse and made up of many people who don't think like you is a bit hard to find credible. 

Here is a tip,  legit polling organizations publish their methodology,  their sampling strategies and the expansion factors they use.  Read these and it is simple to find which ones to put weight in.

it's not my circle, I am referring to.   I see all kinds of stuff posted by groups and organizations who are not on my friend's list, form both liberal and conservative groups opposing the deal.

[OakWood]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

I would imagine that Trump's popularity is due to Common Sense and a sense of betrayal by the current U.S. government. It is the low information voter that is actually criticising Trump. It is the low information voter that loves to slander Trump.

 

[Flames of Liberty]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

I would imagine that Trump's popularity is due to Common Sense and a sense of betrayal by the current U.S. government. It is the low information voter that is actually criticising Trump. It is the low information voter that loves to slander Trump.

 

 The darling of the conservatives is a man that was a Democrat before he changed.

Was pro abortion before he was against it.

Was for ObamaCare before he was against it.

Was for progressive tax policy before for he was...oh wait, he is still progressive in the realm of taxes.

Has never been against the government using eminent domain to take land from one private owner to give to a different one, all in the name of increased tax base.  He was and is for a Supreme Court ruling that is now being used in California to try and take land from churches and give to businesses that will pay more taxes.

And yet you claim those who do not support Trump are the low information voter.   The evidence does not support your false claim.

[missmuffet]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

No, he is not right.   Polls are almost always skewed to get the results the pollster wants.   Polls are based on small numbers of people in certain parts of the country.   If you take Poll in New England, you will different results than if you took the same poll in E. Tennessee or Louisiana. 

So yes, if you want results that show that most people don't care about this, then put your polls consistently in areas where most people don't care.   It also depends on how you ask the question, as well.

The problem is that so many in the media skew things to reflect their views and they make sure they ask the low information crowd.  That always helps.

I think mainstream America is far more against this than the polls and the media lead people to believe.  Data is easily manipulated.

 On what do you base your belief that mainstream America is far more against this then the polls lead people to believe? 

What is your source of data about the views of those outside of your circle?

 

I pay more attention to social media than polls and majority hue and cry I see from people's Twitter accounts and on Facebook is calls, from both liberals and conservatives is to reject the Iran deal.   The polls are not conducted by disinterested parties.  But what I have seen from both sides is a constant call to reject the Iran deal and only a few posts that have the temerity to publicly support the deal.  Social media, as much as I hate to admit it, is becoming a good way of tracking what people actually think, at least the people who are not hung up on the brain candy of Soda Crush and Cookie Jam.

The politicians who are beholden to Obama are the ones who support this deal and they are doing it likely against the will of their constituents.

I got an email from my State representative asking if I supported the Iran deal.