Guest Thallasa Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 On 28/09/2015 at 1:01 AM, thereselittleflower said: The same which the Early Church continued in, which are documented in history, in the catacombs, in the writings of the ECF's, in the prayers used universally. All find reference in the bible by the way. But not everything which the Apostles taught is explicity laid out in the NT. For instance, the Trinity as expressed in the Council of Nicea is not expressly stated in scripture. It is alluded to, but not expressly taught in scripture. The full expression of the Trinity, how we understand what the Trinity means, is part of that tradition verbally taught by the Apostles. We can see it in scripture because the Sacred Traditions of the Apostles Paul tells us to hold to guides us in our interpretation of those scriptures. Without that Sacred Tradition all we would have is all sorts of various interpretations of scriptures about the nature of God which we see even from people who come to Worthy. May I say here that there are two main parts to salvation .One is as an individual, but an individual exists in a community which may or may not nurture individuals to become christian . I think this is what the RCC did better than any other in Western E urope . I cannot speak for others ,but the societies here speak for themselves . So in order to encourage all levels of people to come to Church, many existing cultures were christianised not totally banned . Many of these practices are good in themselves although they existed before Christ ,and make for a less competitive ,more humane culture than protestantism provides . It is not possible to live in a world stripped of all beauty ,festivity ,creative community, and Christianity would have died out sooner, if protestant culture in it's harshness ,had been universal . God is a God of order, but of kindness ,beauty , joy and wholesome pleasure too . This in part,is where Tradition is essential . However it became too important and too rich . It began to focus too much on Tradition and worldly show ,and did not encourage bible reading in groups . Became too centralised ,too inward looking and forgot who they' re serving : God and His people , not themselves and their superstitions . Did intend to be short , but ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 11, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,894 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,779 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2016 On 10 February, 2016 at 10:56 PM, other one said: Eternal life is not free...... Jesus paid a terrible price for it. Hello brother O.O. Jesus said, exactly the same thing, " if I don't die (pay the price by giving up my life and die on the Cross), nothing will be accoblish. Christ must die first and pay the price with his life on the Cross, before he receives his Glory. What is the deference between the life Adam had before the disobedience, and the Life we have by faith in Jesus Christ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 11, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2016 If you think about it, life is a free gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 11, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,264 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,993 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: Hello brother O.O. Jesus said, exactly the same thing, " if I don't die (pay the price by giving up my life and die on the Cross), nothing will be accoblish. Christ must die first and pay the price with his life on the Cross, before he receives his Glory. What is the deference between the life Adam had before the disobedience, and the Life we have by faith in Jesus Christ? LoL we have to work to eat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 11, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,894 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,779 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 hours ago, other one said: LoL we have to work to eat... This is not exactly the comment I was expecting, but the I must work with what I have. It was a time that Adam while in the Garden he reaped the fruit from the trees that God had planted. His creatot gave him life, so Adam must have had what ever life his creator had. His creator gave him from his life, what ever life he had, he gave it to Adam. God also put a condition to Adam, God asked him for his obedience, If Adam disobeyed him he will loose he right standing with him. Adam eventualy lost his right standing with his creator. This is the story of the first Adam. (the first), Adam born children not in right standing with God. What he had that's what he gave to his children. Adam's right standing with God depented on his own obedience. Does any one of you, claims to have a right standing with God? And if you do how is it possible. I know that I am talking to the later people born within the last two thousand years. ( someone can also attempt to make a case for the earlier people). And if you do, is it depending on your own obedience, do you have a prohibition from God, that if you do something that is prohibited by him, you are told by him that you are lost, that you are not in right standing with God. .do you have a maintainance paqeuge of the eternal life given to you from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 11, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,894 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,779 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2016 5 hours ago, JohnD said: If you think about it, life is a free gift. I am sorry for the question, I am not interogating you and neither am I examine you, only for conversation proposes. Do you believe that you have the eternal life of Jesus Christ. And if you do, how did you get it, what did you have to do. Does it come with instructions of mantain it? How can you loose it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 My comment was about being alive in the first place. Not eternal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 Eternal life is different. Right off the bat, life is obviously temporal. People die and never come back. Eternal life is just as obviously eternal. If you could lose it you never had it. Hence the word e*ter*nal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 Only Jesus has the eternal life of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 We will be like him in resurrection (1 John 3:2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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