Pope: "Jesus' Cross was a Failure"

[OldSchool2]

The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.

Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.

Genesis 16:10-12

"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.

If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. 

aj, what part of "nor are Muslims 'of a common abrahamic faith'" are you not grasping? I'm talking about being related to them through Abraham by blood, not spirit, and certainly not through their Moon god, allah.

Of course, the above assumes that Muslims are descended from Ishmael, which is traditional, but debatable.

[other one]

Keep in mind that only about 18% of the total Muslim population is Arabic (even possibly blood kin to Abraham).   They are just about every race there is.....     

Also keep in mind that by the time Mohammad started Islam, the Arabic people had drifted away from the God of Abraham just as the Israelis had done, and had gone after strange gods.....    hundreds and hundreds of them.

Islam is not following the God of Abraham, and 82% or so of them are no blood kin to Abraham at all.

[Guest shiloh357]

The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.

Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.

Genesis 16:10-12

"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.

If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. 

aj, what part of "nor are Muslims 'of a common abrahamic faith'" are you not grasping? I'm talking about being related to them through Abraham by blood, not spirit, and certainly not through their Moon god, allah.

Of course, the above assumes that Muslims are descended from Ishmael, which is traditional, but debatable.

When you say, "Muslims,"  do you mean "Arabs"?

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

Popes have no more authority than what has been given them by God or through people's minds. I could give authority over my faith to the guy at the convenience store if I wanted to, but I do not. I reserve that for Scripture and the Holy Spirit. I find no Scriptural evidence ( nor have I been led by the HS ) to give this man any authority on matters of faith.

[FresnoJoe]

Any Holy Spirit filled born again Christian shepherd given an opportunity like that would proclaim the Victory of Jesus Christ on the cross, and use it to call sinners to repentance for their redemption through JESUS' glorious finished work on the cross!  The Holy Spirit within wouldn't allow them to be silent but to preach the Gospel & to give Glory and praise to God.

There has never been a holy spirit born again christian shepherd in the office of the papacy....

There has never been a holy spirit born again christian shepherd in the office of the papacy.

How do you know?

~

Papa~!

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

My Papa~!

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6

[Guest Thallasa]

With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that. Even tho I dont see how revelation could have started yet. He brings a false gospel. RCC folks beware of what the bible says to do to those who preach a false gospel.

 

Full text of his speech here.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376

 

 

He is A false prophet, for sure.  I can't say that he is THE false prophet.  But he is definitely paving the way for the anti-Christ.  This  Pope is NOT a Christian.  He is just a socialist/Marxist in religious garb.

This is what many Roman Catholics are saying . I think the R C Church is on the way to schism .I do not see it staying united after this ;something is going to give .The wheat and the tares are being seperated .

united after this .

[OakWood]

As to whether or not Arabs are descended from Ishmael, well who knows? I believe that they are - others believe they are not.

But if they are then I will remind you what the Book of Genesis has to say about Ishmael. Because there is no evidence of Ishmael himself behaving like this then I can only assume that the characteristics refer to his descendants:

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Maybe Genesis was giving us a warning for the future.

[OldSchool2]

The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.

Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.

Genesis 16:10-12

"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.

If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. 

aj, what part of "nor are Muslims 'of a common abrahamic faith'" are you not grasping? I'm talking about being related to them through Abraham by blood, not spirit, and certainly not through their Moon god, allah.

Of course, the above assumes that Muslims are descended from Ishmael, which is traditional, but debatable.

When you say, "Muslims,"  do you mean "Arabs"?

Yes; unfortunately I have associated the two beyond distinction. 

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.

Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.

Genesis 16:10-12

"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.

If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. 

aj, what part of "nor are Muslims 'of a common abrahamic faith'" are you not grasping? I'm talking about being related to them through Abraham by blood, not spirit, and certainly not through their Moon god, allah.

Of course, the above assumes that Muslims are descended from Ishmael, which is traditional, but debatable.

When you say, "Muslims,"  do you mean "Arabs"?

Yes; unfortunately I have associated the two beyond distinction. 

Who is an ' Arab ' ? Someone who was born in Arabia ? Are there not Arabian Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. ?

[OldSchool2]

The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.

Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.

Genesis 16:10-12

"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.

If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. 

aj, what part of "nor are Muslims 'of a common abrahamic faith'" are you not grasping? I'm talking about being related to them through Abraham by blood, not spirit, and certainly not through their Moon god, allah.

Of course, the above assumes that Muslims are descended from Ishmael, which is traditional, but debatable.

When you say, "Muslims,"  do you mean "Arabs"?

Yes; unfortunately I have associated the two beyond distinction. 

Who is an ' Arab ' ? Someone who was born in Arabia ? Are there not Arabian Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. ?

What non-Muslim Arabs there are in the Middle East have seen their numbers violently decrease.

According to the dictionary, an Arab is "a member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia, whose language and Islamic religion spread widely throughout the Middle East and northern Africa from the seventh century."