Very discouraged by Pope Francis' visit to the U.S.

[thereselittleflower]

I agree Terry.  I am with you on this.

 

 

Terry,  he needs our prayers not our condemnation.    He is a human being after all, and God change each of our hearts.  Pray. 

Using the lame excuse that he is a human being after all won't cut it. He is a human being who (1) represents an apostate church, (2) willingly colludes with evil men like Obama and those who promote a phony agenda, (3) deceives the world about the true Gospel and Bible Truth, and (4) refuses to take responsibility for his own actions (a la Kim Davis).  There is a time for prayer and there is a time to expose wolves in sheep's clothing.  Evangelical Christians are being conditioned to turn a blind eye to Mystery Babylon, which is condemned in the strongest terms in Scripture. When the Lord addressed the seven churches in Asia, He desired the removal of all the false teachers and false apostles from those churches.  If the apostle Peter were sent down to earth today, he would shut down the Vatican.

I think one should be more concerned about the deception that is in their own heart, and one's own walk with the Lord.

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest shiloh357]

I agree Terry.  I am with you on this.

 

 

Terry,  he needs our prayers not our condemnation.    He is a human being after all, and God change each of our hearts.  Pray. 

Using the lame excuse that he is a human being after all won't cut it. He is a human being who (1) represents an apostate church, (2) willingly colludes with evil men like Obama and those who promote a phony agenda, (3) deceives the world about the true Gospel and Bible Truth, and (4) refuses to take responsibility for his own actions (a la Kim Davis).  There is a time for prayer and there is a time to expose wolves in sheep's clothing.  Evangelical Christians are being conditioned to turn a blind eye to Mystery Babylon, which is condemned in the strongest terms in Scripture. When the Lord addressed the seven churches in Asia, He desired the removal of all the false teachers and false apostles from those churches.  If the apostle Peter were sent down to earth today, he would shut down the Vatican.

I think one should be more concerned about the deception that is in their own heart, and one's own walk with the Lord.

Yeah,  papal deception and heresy can flourish when everyone looks the other way.

[hmbld]

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

[*Zion*]

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

[thereselittleflower]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

I think it is best for all of us to remember the words of Christ spoken to those who would stone the harlot:

John 8

6They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

 

Is anyone here without sin?

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit.

Judas,

Congress was in the midst of dealing with the abomination called Planned Parenthood.  Had the Pope addressed Congress and clearly and unequivocally stated "DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD BECAUSE IT IS THE MURDER OF INNOCENTS" you don't think that it would have had a tremendous impact?  The whole world would have taken notice, and Obama would have had to back off in order to save face.  The Pope's words have much influence but he willingly chose to side with the evildoers.

and this forum would be screaming foul over Obama and congress being told what to do lol

 

[hmbld]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

 

 

did the woman at the well go away saying Jesus did not condemn her sin of living with a man who was not her husband?

[thereselittleflower]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

 

 

did the woman at the well go away saying Jesus did not condemn her sin of living with a man who was not her husband?

Where does it say Jesus condemned her at all in any way?

John 8

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

Yeah, so ignored the Christians being persecuted, beheaded, crucified, drowned and burned alive because saving the polar bears would build a better relationship, than dealing with the plight of Christians who are suffering ultimately because of Obama's incoherent foreign policies.   He decided to side with the reprobates and save face with the homosexual sympathizers than stand on anything that looks remotely Christian.   He chose to call for us to be more friendly to the illegals and the "refugees"  while ignoring the foreign Christians who are being held in detention by the Federal government.    We should basically ignore Christian refugees but swing doors wide open to a Muslim invasion masquerading as a "refugee crisis."   And we are supposed to surrender our nation to illegal immigrants who are sucking us dry like a bunch of leeches.

The Pope's visit was nothing but a Leftist Marxist love fest and nothing more.

I hope the Pope never comes back here.  We can do with less of him and his socialist, Marxist agenda.

[hmbld]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

 

 

did the woman at the well go away saying Jesus did not condemn her sin of living with a man who was not her husband?

Where does it say Jesus condemned her at all in any way?

John 8

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

 

 

right,I said her sin