Thummin and Urim were what?

[Leonardo Von]

On 10/11/2015 at 10:22 AM, Pamelasv said:

Dueteronomy 33:8

When Moses blessed Isreal. 

'Of Levi He said, "Let your Thummim and your Urim belong to Your Godly man, whom You proved at Massah...." 

Dear sister Pamelasv,

 

Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

·        “And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.” (1 Samuel 28.6).

 

From this passage we can conclude that Urim and Thummim were instruments used by the Eternal to manifest His will to the people of Israel when a decision was to be made.

 

·        “And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually.” (Êxodo 28.30).

 

Since Urim and Thummim were on the breastplate of judgment, the most logical thing to think about was that they were mostly used to try to find the culprit (e.g. casting lots). Examples of this can be seen at: (Joshua 7:14-18; 1 Samuel 14:41; Leviticus 16:8; Joshua 18:6,8,10; I Chronicles 24:31; I Chronicles 25:8; I Chronicles 26:13; I Chronicles 26:14; Nehemiah 11:1).

And, of course, this should be done only in the presence of the Eternal, that is, for the honor and glory of his name:

 

·         “And of Levi he said, Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah, and with whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;” (Deuteronomy 33.8).

[Retrobyter]

9 hours ago, Leonardo Von said:

Dear sister Pamelasv,

Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

  “And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.” (1 Samuel 28.6).

From this passage we can conclude that Urim and Thummim were instruments used by the Eternal to manifest His will to the people of Israel when a decision was to be made.

 “And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually.” (Exodus 28.30).

Since Urim and Thummim were on the breastplate of judgment, the most logical thing to think about was that they were mostly used to try to find the culprit (e.g. casting lots). Examples of this can be seen at: (Joshua 7:14-18; 1 Samuel 14:41; Leviticus 16:8; Joshua 18:6,8,10; I Chronicles 24:31; I Chronicles 25:8; I Chronicles 26:13; I Chronicles 26:14; Nehemiah 11:1).

And, of course, this should be done only in the presence of the Eternal, that is, for the honor and glory of his name:

“And of Levi he said, Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah, and with whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;” (Deuteronomy 33.8).

Shalom, Leonardo Von.

Everyone says that "Urim" means "lights," and that's correct. However, usually people will say that Tumiym (Thummim) means "Perfections." That's a little odd. Better words might be "completions" or "accomplishments." It's "perfect" in the sense of "maturity," not in the sense of "absolute righteousness."

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On 10/11/2015 at 8:22 AM, Pamelasv said:

Dueteronomy 33:8

When Moses blessed Isreal. 

'Of Levi He said, "Let your Thummim and your Urim belong to Your Godly man, whom You proved at Massah...." 

If you read Josephus you can get a better example on the meaning and functions of them