The Word?

[FreeinChrist]

So as I continue to study I Peter 1:17-2:3; I continue to have problems identifing if it Word as in Jesus, or word as in the Scriptures or perhaps both.  I know this passage is quoting Isaiah 40:7-11.  But am confused at if it is Jesus direcly or what?

Appreciate any help, sorry about not writing the passage out but doing this on a smart phone.

Edited October 20, 2015 by 19Duggarfan

[gdemoss]

This is Christ the Word of God in you that feeds you.

[FreeinChrist]

This is Christ the Word of God in you that feeds you.

Appreciate the reply Gary and I can agree with  what are you saying, but I get confuse when I read the following:   2)  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.   3)  If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.     I Peter 2:2-3 

I can honestly see this as Jesus Christ when reading I Peter 1:25, but just a little baffled from the above verses 2:2-3, which seems to be speaking of scriptures; for some reason just having trouble with this, i am either missing something or trying to read to much into it..

[FreeinChrist]

from biblegateway: EXB
As newborn babies want milk, you should want the ·pure [sincere; unadulterated] and ·simple [or spiritual] ·teaching [L milk; C probably referring to the word of God; see 1:23–25]. By it you can ·mature [grow; reach maturity] in your salvation,

1 Peter 1:23-25Expanded Bible (EXB)

23 You have been born ·again [or anew], and this new life did not come from ·something that dies [L a perishable seed], but from ·something that cannot die [L an imperishable seed]. You were born ·again [or anew] through ·God’s living message that continues forever [L the living and abiding/enduring word of God]. 24 ·The Scripture says [L For; Therefore],

“All ·people are [T flesh is] like the grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the ·field [L grass].
The grass ·dies [withers] and the flowers ·fall [drop off],
25 but the word of the Lord ·will live [remains; abides; endures] forever [Is. 40:6–8].”

And this is the word that was ·preached [or proclaimed as Good News/Gospel] to you.


Isaiah 40:6-8Expanded Bible (EXB)

6 A voice says, “Cry out!”
Then I[a] said, “What shall I cry out?”

“Say all ·people [flesh] are like the grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field.
7 The grass ·dies [withers] and the flowers fall
when the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are like grass.
8 The grass ·dies [withers] and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God will ·live [endure; stand] forever.”

Below are helpful excerpts from http://www.thetransformedsoul.com/additional-studies/spiritual-life-studies/the-power-of-god-s-word
"It was by the Word (i.e., the Eternal Logos, Christ) that the universe came into existence (Jn 1:1-3). Writes Paul, “In Christ all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible… all things have been created through Him and for Him… and in Him all things hold together” (Col 1:16-17). Likewise, says the author of Hebrews, “Christ is the radiance of God’s glory, and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power” (Heb 1:3). So the Word of the Lord is the source of all life (Ps 119:25). In Revelation 19:13 the exalted Christ is specifically designated “the Word of God.”


One of the reasons this abstract concept* is so difficult for Christians here in the West to understand, is that we see “words” as simply expressions of thought and mere concepts — our** words have no inherent power in them. "

*'abstract concept' <>= truth, reality ((when we see it, live in Yeshua, it's neither abstract nor a concept))

**'our words'/'no inherent power' <>= that is if not immersed in Yeshua's Name and abiding in Yeshua Messiah
i.e. almost everyone is referred to by "our"

Thanks Jeff this is a great help.

[thereselittleflower]

When you are trying to figure out what a verse is sayiing, blueletter bible, an online source, is an excellent resource to use.   You can look at the underlying Hebrew or Greek and see what the meaning of the word is and its sense.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/

In this case, the Greek word translated "word" here actually means:

ῥῆμα rhēma, hray'-mah; from G4483; an utterance (individually, collectively or specially),; by implication, a matter or topic (especially of narration, command or dispute); with a negative naught whatever:—+ evil, + nothing, saying, word.

1. that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word

   1. any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning

   2. speech, discourse

      1. what one has said

   3. a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one's mind made in words)

      1. an utterance

      2. a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative

         1. concerning some occurrence

2. subject matter of speech, thing spoken of

   1. so far forth as it is a matter of narration

   2. so far as it is a matter of command

   3. a matter of dispute, case at law

 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4487&t=KJV

 

So this is not talking about Jesus being the word here.   When the scripture gives the name "Word" to Jesus in John's gospel, the Greek word that is used is "Logos" not "rhema."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[gdemoss]

This is Christ the Word of God in you that feeds you.

Appreciate the reply Gary and I can agree with  what are you saying, but I get confuse when I read the following:   2)  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.   3)  If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.     I Peter 2:2-3 

I can honestly see this as Jesus Christ when reading I Peter 1:25, but just a little baffled from the above verses 2:2-3, which seems to be speaking of scriptures; for some reason just having trouble with this, i am either missing something or trying to read to much into it..

It does speak of the scriptures.  They are the written word of God.  To consume them or drink them in if you will is to consume him.  

The milk of the word is the easily discernable things that you get convicted of when you read them.  Remember you are looking into a mirror that shows you who you really are.

We are being told to desire to feed off of that which we can stomach.  Babies cannot feed off of things that are difficult to digest.  They have no teeth to chew.  Neither do new born baby Christians.

I tell you truly that to consume the scriptures is to eat his flesh and to drink into his Spirit is to drink his blood. And to do so regularly is to remain alive unto God forever in an unchanging life that grows.

Some men never become born again.  To them the scriptures remain law that they must figure out how to convince themselves they are within the confines of the law.  But to those who are born again and can see the kingdom of heaven, to us it is food, milk for babes and meat for those of full age.  

We eat my friend from the tree of Life and live forever and drink from the well if pure water that never goes dry!

[Guest]

This is Christ the Word of God in you that feeds you.

Appreciate the reply Gary and I can agree with  what are you saying, but I get confuse when I read the following:   2)  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.   3)  If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.     I Peter 2:2-3 

I can honestly see this as Jesus Christ when reading I Peter 1:25, but just a little baffled from the above verses 2:2-3, which seems to be speaking of scriptures; for some reason just having trouble with this, i am either missing something or trying to read to much into it..

It does speak of the scriptures.  They are the written word of God.  To consume them or drink them in if you will is to consume him.  

The milk of the word is the easily discernable things that you get convicted of when you read them.  Remember you are looking into a mirror that shows you who you really are.

We are being told to desire to feed off of that which we can stomach.  Babies cannot feed off of things that are difficult to digest.  They have no teeth to chew.  Neither do new born baby Christians.

 

Agreed.  When devouring scripture in my enthusiasm,  I encountered so many things that I was just unable to do at that point.  These things became issues that made me feel such guilt that I could not change and also were actually dangerous for my mind at that point in time (as far as the faith I was developing about those concepts).  A baby is started off on milk that it finds easy to digest, then is weaned gradually onto normal foods.  A newborn would not be able to eat solid food at that point.  Reading things beyond one’s spiritual maturity can cause problems that may take a long time to remedy.

[JohnD]

This is Christ the Word of God in you that feeds you.

Appreciate the reply Gary and I can agree with  what are you saying, but I get confuse when I read the following:   2)  As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.   3)  If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.     I Peter 2:2-3 

I can honestly see this as Jesus Christ when reading I Peter 1:25, but just a little baffled from the above verses 2:2-3, which seems to be speaking of scriptures; for some reason just having trouble with this, i am either missing something or trying to read to much into it..

It does speak of the scriptures.  They are the written word of God.  To consume them or drink them in if you will is to consume him.  

The milk of the word is the easily discernable things that you get convicted of when you read them.  Remember you are looking into a mirror that shows you who you really are.

We are being told to desire to feed off of that which we can stomach.  Babies cannot feed off of things that are difficult to digest.  They have no teeth to chew.  Neither do new born baby Christians.

 

Agreed.  When devouring scripture in my enthusiasm,  I encountered so many things that I was just unable to do at that point.  These things became issues that made me feel such guilt that I could not change and also were actually dangerous for my mind at that point in time (as far as the faith I was developing about those concepts).  A baby is started off on milk that it finds easy to digest, then is weaned gradually onto normal foods.  A newborn would not be able to eat solid food at that point.  Reading things beyond one’s spiritual maturity can cause problems that may take a long time to remedy.

Keep at it, Sister. With the Holy Spirit's tutelage and guidance you will grow and be alright. Put your trust in him.

Not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit says the LORD.

God bless.

[gdemoss]

When I was a child there was a point that I understood there was a difference between being a child and being an adult.  I wanted to be an adult immediately but I had to grow up first and that took time and alot of food!

When I became a Christian there came a point where I realized that there was a difference between children and those of full age.  Again, I wanted to be if full age!

Today I am OK with being right where I am at and eat spiritual food that I am ready for.

[Guest]

 

 

Agreed.  When devouring scripture in my enthusiasm,  I encountered so many things that I was just unable to do at that point.  These things became issues that made me feel such guilt that I could not change and also were actually dangerous for my mind at that point in time (as far as the faith I was developing about those concepts).  A baby is started off on milk that it finds easy to digest, then is weaned gradually onto normal foods.  A newborn would not be able to eat solid food at that point.  Reading things beyond one’s spiritual maturity can cause problems that may take a long time to remedy.

Keep at it, Sister. With the Holy Spirit's tutelage and guidance you will grow and be alright. Put your trust in him.

Not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit says the LORD.

God bless.

Thank you for the encouragement.  It is much appreciated.  Blessings.