And Science Says Our Gap Theory Is Bad...

[SavedOnebyGrace]

1 minute ago, Ezra said:

So we're going to quibble over "made" vs "created"? That is really specious.  Well let's look at another Scripture (Heb: 11:3), which says that God created everything out of nothing.  So why do Christians quibble?

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Not at all.  Christians on this forum are searching for the truth.  Words mean something and you can't substitute one word for the other without changing the meaning of what Moses is trying to convey.  Unless of course you don't believe the Bible is inspired.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

3 minutes ago, Teditis said:

Haha... no, no...it's the other way 'round.

I still haven't seen one verse that suggests an Earth prior to Day 1 which is Gen. 1:1-5.

Then you are blind to the truth.

[HAZARD]

3 minutes ago, Teditis said:

Haha... no, no...it's the other way 'round.

I still haven't seen one verse that suggests an Earth prior to Day 1 which is Gen. 1:1-5.

That means you haven't read 20 or so Scriptures these then?

Create and Made are two totally different words with totally different meanings.

Webster's:  . . Made, constructed, shaped, formed.

Create; 1. . . . To bring into being from nothing, to cause to exist.

Create.  .  .  .  God originally created the different parts of the material universe, "In the beginning," and it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence and then 'BY HIS HANDS" He formed the various parts of the universe.

That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence as fast as they materialised He used them to form all things with His Hands (Ps. 8 : 3 ; 2 Peter 3 : 3 - 9 ; Proverbs 26 : 10).

Now some use Exodus 20 : 8 - 11 ; 31 : 17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Genesis 1 : 3 - 2 : 25, and therefor that they were created about 6000 years ago.

However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of bara, to creat out of nothing. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create. It is translated MADE 659 time; make 449 times; maketh 59 times; makest sixteen times; maker 13 times; making 11 times and madest three times.

When God said, "In six days the Lord made heaven and earth," He had in mind the restoration of the heaven (firmament, or clouds) and the earth to a habitable state as it was before the

 

[Guest Teditis]

2 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Then you are blind to the truth.

That's kinda' how I view you... so we're at an impasse.

[Guest Teditis]

2 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

That means you haven't read 20 or so Scriptures these then?

Create and Made are two totally different words with totally different meanings.

Webster's:  . . Made, constructed, shaped, formed.

Create; 1. . . . To bring into being from nothing, to cause to exist.

Create.  .  .  .  God originally created the different parts of the material universe, "In the beginning," and it is clear that by the Word of God the materials were brought into existence and then 'BY HIS HANDS" He formed the various parts of the universe.

That is, as God spoke, the materials came into existence as fast as they materialised He used them to form all things with His Hands (Ps. 8 : 3 ; 2 Peter 3 : 3 - 9 ; Proverbs 26 : 10).

Now some use Exodus 20 : 8 - 11 ; 31 : 17 to prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Genesis 1 : 3 - 2 : 25, and therefor that they were created about 6000 years ago.

However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages. In these Scriptures the Hebrew asah, meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of bara, to creat out of nothing. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days, and not the original creation "In the beginning." Asah never means to create. It is translated MADE 659 time; make 449 times; maketh 59 times; makest sixteen times; maker 13 times; making 11 times and madest three times.

When God said, "In six days the Lord made heaven and earth," He had in mind the restoration of the heaven (firmament, or clouds) and the earth to a habitable state as it was before the

 

That's an abridged definition and I find that type of stuff unbelievably deceptive.

I'll merely encourage other readers to look the definitions up themselves to see how incorrect you are.

[HAZARD]

7 minutes ago, Ezra said:

So we're going to quibble over "made" vs "created"? That is really specious.  Well let's look at another Scripture (Heb: 11:3), which says that God created everything out of nothing.  So why do Christians quibble?

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

 

Hebrews 11 : 3  says,. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (KJV).

Your right, there it is again, by the Word of God the materials appeared and by His hands He form the materials.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

Just now, Teditis said:

That's kinda' how I view you... so we're at an impasse.

Yes, Brother, we are.  But I have a great deal of respect for you regardless of our differences here.  God bless and peace to you.

[Ezra]

17 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Not at all.  Christians on this forum are searching for the truth.  Words mean something and you can't substitute one word for the other without changing the meaning of what Moses is trying to convey.  Unless of course you don't believe the Bible is inspired.

What Moses wrote in Genesis 1 (by Divine inspiration) he confirmed in Exodus 20 (by Divine inspiration). Quibbling over "created" and "made" dishonours the Creator, who created all things out of nothing. Note Matthew Henry's pertinent comments:

God has given us an example of rest, after six days’ work: he rested the seventh day, took a complacency in himself, and rejoiced in the work of his hand, to teach us, on that day, to take a complacency in him, and to give him the glory of his works,..  

[SavedOnebyGrace]

Just now, Ezra said:

What Moses wrote in Genesis 1 (by Divine inspiration) he confirmed in Exodus 20 (by Divine inspiration). Quibbling over "created" and "made" dishonours the Creator, who created all things out of nothing. Note Matthew Henry's pertinent comments:

God has given us an example of rest, after six days’ work: he rested the seventh day, took a complacency in himself, and rejoiced in the work of his hand, to teach us, on that day, to take a complacency in him, and to give him the glory of his works,..  

That really doesn't make your point.  Matthew Henry's words could equally apply to "make" rather than "create".  If YEC relies on Exodus 20 for its foundation, YEC are in trouble.

[Ezra]

4 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

That really doesn't make your point.  Matthew Henry's words could equally apply to "make" rather than "create".  If YEC relies on Exodus 20 for its foundation, YEC are in trouble.

It definitely makes my point.  "Six days work" is six days of creation.  Not only that, it clearly states in Exodus 20:11 that God created/made ALL THINGS in those six days, whether in Heaven, or in earth, or in the sea ("all that in them is"). There is absolutely nothing that is excluded.

Since the Ten Commandments were written by the hand of God, and they are eternal and immutable, Christians can (and should) base their understand of creation on the authority of Exodus 20:11.  Six days means six literal 24-hour days.  If anyone chooses to challenge the Ten Commandments, they have a very serious problem.