Dietary restrictions before and after the Fall

[simplejeff]

6 For some of them worm their way into homes and get control

of weak-willed women who are heaped with sins and swayed by various impulses,7 

who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth. 8

 In the same way as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moshe, so also these people oppose the truth. They are people with corrupted minds, whose trust cannot pass the test.

2 Timothy 3 CJB biblegateway.

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12 hours ago, giggling appy said:

Mark 7:18 thru 20

And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.…

Acts 10 :15

The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Colossians 2 :16

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink,

 

Matthew 15 :17
"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?

 

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Did you know that the scripture given acts 10 , has nothing to really do about food, but a example of  making a point, ?

 for gentiles coming into the fold ? and that scripture that I provided was not read,  for it would be God talking and instructing ?

 thank you

[Qnts2]

2 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Did you know that the scripture given acts 10 , has nothing to really do about food, but a example of  making a point, ?

 for gentiles coming into the fold ? and that scripture that I provided was not read,  for it would be God talking and instructing ?

 thank you

Read Acts 11 also. It explains that Acts 10 is about Gentiles and food. 

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6 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Read Acts 11 also. It explains that Acts 10 is about Gentiles and food. 

its about the gentiles but not food, it is a picture to describe about making a point, please read it , again, and you will see,

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3 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

its about the gentiles but not food, it is a picture to describe about making a point, please read it , again, and you will see,

Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

³ Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

⁴ But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

⁵ I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Please notice that there were objections to Peter for going into a Gentile home, and EATING with them. Peter answered them by telling them the vision where God showed him it was ok to visit Gentiles, and to eat unclean things. If the objection did not include eating, you might have an argument, but it is very very clear the objection was about eating. Peter did not say, but wait, Gentiles are clean, and because it was not about food, I did not eat with them.

So, I think your interpretation is incorrect.  

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10 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

³ Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

⁴ But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

⁵ I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Please notice that there were objections to Peter for going into a Gentile home, and EATING with them. Peter answered them by telling them the vision where God showed him it was ok to visit Gentiles, and to eat unclean things. If the objection did not include eating, you might have an argument, but it is very very clear the objection was about eating. Peter did not say, but wait, Gentiles are clean, and because it was not about food, I did not eat with them.

So, I think your interpretation is incorrect.  

no you have misunderstood, the vision is about unclean animals, to give him a interpretation of the gentiles being unclean, and common, which is how they addressed them , it is not about food, it was to place the vision, to a unclean to clean and what was the people of common to be able to enter in to the fold and to have repentance, its not food, it is parallel to show a point, and so peter wanted to see what the interpretation of the dream was, and it was to welcome, and to allow gentiles , unclean and common into the mix, now it does not at all say that he ate unclean, animal, and it says that it was okay to eat with them, period,

 we need to keep scripture  in tack, and not to assume what is not there, but only as it shows , and it is written,

 this is truth its what it says, please read it slow, and understand what they are really trying to point out, ,

 Jesus also ate with the tax collectors and others which was not allowed  before, so this is showing the same type of obedience as Jesus did, but it never says they ate unclean, animals,  no where , it was a test and a witness to still  not breaking the dietary law, for the most part,

I hope this helps, blessings

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28 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

³ Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

⁴ But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

⁵ I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Please notice that there were objections to Peter for going into a Gentile home, and EATING with them. Peter answered them by telling them the vision where God showed him it was ok to visit Gentiles, and to eat unclean things. If the objection did not include eating, you might have an argument, but it is very very clear the objection was about eating. Peter did not say, but wait, Gentiles are clean, and because it was not about food, I did not eat with them.

So, I think your interpretation is incorrect.  

He was not ordered to eat unclean things, that is not correct, but to eat with them, not to break the dietary law, at all,

 but to share and break bread with them,  there is no evidence that he is going to eat unclean, animal

[Qnts2]

11 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

He was not ordered to eat unclean things, that is not correct, but to eat with them, not to break the dietary law, at all,

 but to share and break bread with them,  there is no evidence that he is going to eat unclean, animal

Gentiles did not eat according to the law. The Jewish people mentioned in Acts 11, who were objecting that Peter ate with the Gentiles, knew that, so they objected. Peter could not eat with Gentiles, in a Gentile home and maintain he dietary law. The Gentiles were considered unclean for many reasons, including being ritually unclean because of their food.

So, Peter was shown to take and eat unclean animals in his vision, and as echoed by other verses, a person whom God has made clean, is clean. Unclean food does not make a saved person unclean, like in the Mosaic covenant. Peter stayed with them for several days, and ate with them.

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1 minute ago, Qnts2 said:

Gentiles did not eat according to the law. The Jewish people mentioned in Acts 11, who were objecting that Peter ate with the Gentiles, knew that, so they objected. Peter could not eat with Gentiles, in a Gentile home and maintain he dietary law. The Gentiles were considered unclean for many reasons, including being ritually unclean because of their food.

So, Peter was shown to take and eat unclean animals in his vision, and as echoed by other verses, a person whom God has made clean, is clean. Unclean food does not make a saved person unclean, like in the Mosaic covenant. Peter stayed with them for several days, and ate with them.

I totally agree with you,!  Gentiles ate what ever they wanted . like us today, we eat everything and some things I did not even think ,

 could or should be eaten, but any way yes, it was about fellowshipping with Gentiles but does not say to eat unclean animals, for the Gentiles were considered unclean and common., but it does not mean in any way he violated or broke the dietary law,

 if you go to a house and they serve shell fish , and you are allergic to shell fish as I am, you fellowship and hang out but I don't eat it, for I cannot , but then there is always a alternative, this is simple, and there was always bread , and simple things,

 and besides why would the apostles agree to break rules to , share Gods commandments with them and Gods laws,

 that would not happen, so I think I have made my point clear, would you agree , ? I am more then willing to say if I am wrong, to say I am wrong, , for this is about truth and learning from each other, this is how I have learned a lot by listening and researching ,

 thank you

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I forgot to address about unclean food making a saved person unclean or not saved ?

I hope I got that right what you are asking ?

 okay , your salvation is not determind on what you eat,  drink , but and there is the but,

 to be in obedience to the word and laws of God we abstain from what God tells us is unclean, and we try to keep our bodies as holy and pure as possible, yes we are in the flesh, but that does not give any excuse to eat what we are told not to , as the same we are not allowed to WILLINGLY SIN ,be cause we are saved , for it is abiding in truth in discipline, to God in spirit and in truth , to share my feelings my life, and to eat and to fast as I should to be in touched by spirit and scripture, to God, and to make my bond stronger with God, then just lip service, I train my mind my attitude, my conduct, what I eat, how I address and care for people, how i represent God as a true believer, and what I say by guarding my words, and to control what I expose my ears and eyes to hear and to watch,  keeping the temple, clean and in faith producing good fruits, it is all essential  and required of us, to follow and to be od the word and spirit of God, and not of the world and its lusts of the flesh, this is how I look at it, following God is about your whole life , not just to sit in church and say amen , once a week, , there is work involved in a saved person, and understanding of that we are no longer our own, but bought with a price, and I shall , always be in debt to my savior, and be used for His service, I am not the master of my self , for I have my lord and savior, who is my master,

 blessings