Guest shiloh357 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said: This book was offered at the Nuremburg trials by the Nazi's as part of their defense, that if Luther were alive then, he would be there, on trial with them. Hitler and his theologians cited Luther and the early church fathers, as well for their theological justification of the holocaust in order to bring Christians on board with what they were doing to the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted November 28, 2015 14 hours ago, Willa said: Luther was a great student of Augustine, who also was bigoted toward the Jewish peoples. Such hatred is hardly becoming a Christian. But Augustine created the concepts that the Catholic church was now God's chosen people since the Jews had rejected Jesus. He wrote a book called The City of God. To him that meant the Catholic Church in Rome was the spiritual new Jeruselem. Jeruselem in Israel had been leveled and the people were in dispersion. They could not imagine the rebuilding of Israel and the return of Christ to reign tere. Much of traditional protestantism still believes this error. They believe that we are presently living in the end times since Pentecost, that we are presently living in the book of Revelations which is all figurative; that God permanently rejected the Jews for killing Jesus the Messiah. So much of "mainstream" Christianity has not seen the truth of God's love for the Jews, and that He will return so that all Isreal will be saved, then reign there for 1000 years. Sorry to digress, are you saying that you don't believe that we are living in the end times???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 This discussion about Martin Luther reminds us that we are to elevate no man and put him on a pedestal. Luther was undoubtedly a great Protestant Reformer, but he had his flaws. The Reformation was a mighty work of God, but the Reformers had their human failings. We are to read Scripture the way Christ did, not the way Luther or any other man did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,379 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 If anyone has testimony about this man who died a long time ago, they should probably present it to God. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 8 hours ago, simplejeff said: "Now our Lord Jesus. that great Shepherd of the sheep, has not left His flock to the mercy of the wolves. " http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/aw-tozer/man-the-dwelling-place-of-god/chapter-30-how-to-try-the-spirits/ Chapter 29 – How to Try the Spirits Worthy Christian Library » A.W. Tozer » Man: The Dwelling Place of God » Chapter 29 – How to Try the Spirits THESE ARE THE TIMES that try men's souls. The Spirit has spoken expressly that in the latter times some should depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. Those days are upon us and we cannot escape them; we must triumph in the midst of them, for such is the will of God concerning us. .... ... ... He was the same man in the widow's house as on Carmel's heights. He is like one of those mountains to which we have referred, piercing the heavens with unscalable heights but clothed about the lower parts with woodlands, verdant fields, and smiling bowers where bees gather honey, and children play. He shows that when a man is full of the Holy Ghost, it will be evidenced by the entire tenor of his daily walk and conversation. In this he reminds us of Luther, the Elijah of modern times, who stood alone against the apostasy of the Romish church; but whose family life was a model of beauty — an oasis in the desert. Let those who only know Luther as the Reformer read his letters to his little daughter, and they will be captivated by the winsomeness and tenderness of that great and gentle soul. Luther was an evil, vile human being. READ his book 'On the Jews and their lies' published in 1543. It's online for free. Know what you talk about before assuming it's of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 19 hours ago, Kan said: Was that an essay he wrote or a book? My first reaction to this, news to me, is that he must have come into contact with the Kabbalistic Jews which colluded later on with the Catholic church, and ended up causing the holocaust (betrayal of the Jews in general) in WWII. In which case I would fully side with Luther, since he must have recognized the connection between those who crucified and rejected Christ, and the devil worshipers following and flourishing in the Catholic system. The Bible mentions these types of Jews in prophecy. The Papal system was assisted by apostate Jews, who had rejected Christ. The works of these scum, are apparent all over the world, including retards like Karl Marx, the impetus to communism. Nothing to do with Kabbalistic Jews. Please read the book; it's free. From VHO.org.................. Few people today realize that Luther wrote 'On the Jews and Their Lies.' (He also wrote such works like "Against the Sabbatarians.") Freethinkers should become aware of the anti-Semitic influence that Luther has brought on the world. His vehement attack on Jews and his powerful influence on the German faithful has brought a new hypothesis to mind: that the Jewish holocaust, and indeed, the eliminationist form of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany may not have occurred without the influence from Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: "by faith" faith that God used him to restore by the Bible to the common people . faith in Jesus. "one faith" same faith as he had. same faith as all the men called and chosen by God have/had.... all who read it by faith, taught by the Father in heaven, are in union with Yeshua((Jesus)).... doing God's Work every day. not being entangled in the affairs of the world. not loving the things of the world, nor the world. not afraid of death. God did not use Martin Luther; that's sacriledge to even suggest that. Please inform yourself of the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 When I learned how Luther and the reformation had been whitewashed, and how Luther was guilty of very serious and atrocious things, that's when I began to dig deep into history for the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 5 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Nothing to do with Kabbalistic Jews. Please read the book; it's free. From VHO.org.................. Few people today realize that Luther wrote 'On the Jews and Their Lies.' (He also wrote such works like "Against the Sabbatarians.") Freethinkers should become aware of the anti-Semitic influence that Luther has brought on the world. His vehement attack on Jews and his powerful influence on the German faithful has brought a new hypothesis to mind: that the Jewish holocaust, and indeed, the eliminationist form of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany may not have occurred without the influence from Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies." I don't doubt that such books exist, but I question whether they are Luther's writing, or just made out to be that. Because the reformation was anti Catholic, so it would not surprise me if history and books were written or rewritten in order to blacken the cause of the reformation, and especially people like Martin Luther, who was the most hated reformer of all, because he was not burned at the stake, for one. The Papacy has been very busy eliminating all records of its atrocities as well as any historical records of its policies and the dates connected with its reign. The internet has been one way of ridding the world of valuable references, and it is advised by any of you who know better, to refrain from disclosing any sources about the Papacy, from universities etc. Every move the Papacy makes is predictable, and has been known about for many decades. Vilifying Luther, no surprise there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qnts2 Posted November 29, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,875 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 1,336 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/13/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2015 9 hours ago, Kan said: I don't doubt that such books exist, but I question whether they are Luther's writing, or just made out to be that. Because the reformation was anti Catholic, so it would not surprise me if history and books were written or rewritten in order to blacken the cause of the reformation, and especially people like Martin Luther, who was the most hated reformer of all, because he was not burned at the stake, for one. The Papacy has been very busy eliminating all records of its atrocities as well as any historical records of its policies and the dates connected with its reign. The internet has been one way of ridding the world of valuable references, and it is advised by any of you who know better, to refrain from disclosing any sources about the Papacy, from universities etc. Every move the Papacy makes is predictable, and has been known about for many decades. Vilifying Luther, no surprise there at all. Luther did write the book. The Missouri Synod Lutheran church recognizes that Luther wrote the book, and has written a formal paper renouncing that book, and what it teaches while stating that other beliefs Luther promoted were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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