OldSchool2 Posted November 18, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted November 18, 2015 from First Things:"For the reformers, the Bible was a treasure trove of divine wisdom to be heard, read, marked, learned, and inwardly digested, as the Book of Common Prayer’s collect for the second Sunday in Advent puts it, to the end that 'we may embrace, and ever hold fast, the blessed hope of everlasting life, which thou has given us in our Savior Jesus Christ'..."Whether read, preached, or heard, it was the Bible that stood at the center of the age of the Reformation, a time of transition, vitality, and change. In 1522, looking back on the recent and dramatic events of the previous years, Martin Luther saw God’s Word as the agent of change. 'I opposed indulgences and all papists,' he observed, 'but never by force. I simply taught, preached, and wrote God’s Word; otherwise I did nothing....'"http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/03/reading-the-bible-with-the-reformers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted November 18, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Amen Beloved Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Psalms 119:89 (English Standard Version) It's A Happy Man That Reads For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15 (King James Version) And Believes I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. Romans 1:16 (Berean Study Bible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegi91 Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 12 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,802 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 On 18 November 2015 at 15:18:06, OldSchool2 said: from First Things: "For the reformers, the Bible was a treasure trove of divine wisdom to be heard, read, marked, learned, and inwardly digested, as the Book of Common Prayer’s collect for the second Sunday in Advent puts it, to the end that 'we may embrace, and ever hold fast, the blessed hope of everlasting life, which thou has given us in our Savior Jesus Christ'... "Whether read, preached, or heard, it was the Bible that stood at the center of the age of the Reformation, a time of transition, vitality, and change. In 1522, looking back on the recent and dramatic events of the previous years, Martin Luther saw God’s Word as the agent of change. 'I opposed indulgences and all papists,' he observed, 'but never by force. I simply taught, preached, and wrote God’s Word; otherwise I did nothing....'" http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/03/reading-the-bible-with-the-reformers I read his book "on the Jews and their lies". i was not impressed. Honestly, if I did not know who the author was I could have easily confused him with another German. Or Austrian, to be more precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 1 hour ago, siegi91 said: I read his book "on the Jews and their lies". i was not impressed. Honestly, if I did not know who the author was I could have easily confused him with another German. Or Austrian, to be more precise. It's always been a puzzle to me how the man who rediscovered God's grace and launched the Protestant Reformation could be so blind to not only his own bigotry, but that of his fellow medieval Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,379 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 2 hours ago, siegi91 said: I read his book "on the Jews and their lies". i was not impressed. Honestly, if I did not know who the author was I could have easily confused him with another German. Or Austrian, to be more precise. Has the Bible impressed you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 Luther did much good in that he brought the Bible back to the people. He was one of the first to successfully print the Bible in the native tongue of the people. He returned us to salvation by grace through faith, not of works. He also reminded us that the just shall live by his faith. His hearts desire was to bring reform to the Catholic church and bring it back to the Bible as the blueprint for doctrine. Instead he was rejected as a heretic! The wars that followed were bloody and bitter. In his famous hymn, A Might Fortress Is Our God, he shows the bitterness toward the Pope that had crept into his life. I don't know if he ever learned to forgive the grievous injury. Luther was a great student of Augustine, who also was bigoted toward the Jewish peoples. Such hatred is hardly becoming a Christian. But Augustine created the concepts that the Catholic church was now God's chosen people since the Jews had rejected Jesus. He wrote a book called The City of God. To him that meant the Catholic Church in Rome was the spiritual new Jeruselem. Jeruselem in Israel had been leveled and the people were in dispersion. They could not imagine the rebuilding of Israel and the return of Christ to reign tere. Much of traditional protestantism still believes this error. They believe that we are presently living in the end times since Pentecost, that we are presently living in the book of Revelations which is all figurative; that God permanently rejected the Jews for killing Jesus the Messiah. So much of "mainstream" Christianity has not seen the truth of God's love for the Jews, and that He will return so that all Isreal will be saved, then reign there for 1000 years. Romans 11:25-28 NKJV "For I do not desire, brethern, that you should be ignorant of the mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." Ps 14:7, Is. 59:20,21 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." Read all of Romans 11. These things are predicted throughout the Old and New Testament prophecies. But this misunderstanding of the Bible since Augustine created tremendous hatred for the Jews which is a black mark on Christians. In Luther's earlier days he had urged tollarance for the Jews. I fear that his bitterness toward the Catholic church may have spread to encompass the Jews in his later life when he wrote the infamous book. Hebrews 12:14-15 NKJV "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterneess springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;" We Christians will not be perfect in this life, and many have deep flaws. But Jesus was and is perfect is all regards. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 After reading Luther's vile, bigoted book 'The Jews and their lies' I concluded that he was a hateful, evil man who can in no way be called a Christian, regardless of what he did for the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 Was that an essay he wrote or a book? My first reaction to this, news to me, is that he must have come into contact with the Kabbalistic Jews which colluded later on with the Catholic church, and ended up causing the holocaust (betrayal of the Jews in general) in WWII. In which case I would fully side with Luther, since he must have recognized the connection between those who crucified and rejected Christ, and the devil worshipers following and flourishing in the Catholic system. The Bible mentions these types of Jews in prophecy. The Papal system was assisted by apostate Jews, who had rejected Christ. The works of these scum, are apparent all over the world, including retards like Karl Marx, the impetus to communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 16 hours ago, siegi91 said: I read his book "on the Jews and their lies". i was not impressed. Honestly, if I did not know who the author was I could have easily confused him with another German. Or Austrian, to be more precise. 7 hours ago, MorningGlory said: After reading Luther's vile, bigoted book 'The Jews and their lies' I concluded that he was a hateful, evil man who can in no way be called a Christian, regardless of what he did for the faith. This book was offered at the Nuremburg trials by the Nazi's as part of their defense, that if Luther were alive then, he would be there, on trial with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 3 hours ago, Kan said: Was that an essay he wrote or a book? My first reaction to this, news to me, is that he must have come into contact with the Kabbalistic Jews which colluded later on with the Catholic church, and ended up causing the holocaust (betrayal of the Jews in general) in WWII. In which case I would fully side with Luther, since he must have recognized the connection between those who crucified and rejected Christ, and the devil worshipers following and flourishing in the Catholic system. The Bible mentions these types of Jews in prophecy. The Papal system was assisted by apostate Jews, who had rejected Christ. The works of these scum, are apparent all over the world, including retards like Karl Marx, the impetus to communism. Martin Luther and the Jews were allies against the RCC. Luther turned anti-Semitic when the Jews did not subscribe to his theology, either. It had nothing to do with kabbalistic Jews. That pamphlet was the result of anger at the Jews. He basically lost his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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