other one Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: The Vatican's Roman Curia -- the executive organizations of the papal see comprising the government of the Catholic Church -- is often at odds with any progressive pope. Further, the Curia is about as competent as the many offices of the Obama administration. Or don't you buy that his administration is incompetent either? but both are responsible for thier administrations.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 hours ago, Davida said: You know, no I don't believe that is a viable excuse..... It's not an excuse, but a fact that the conservative Roman Curia doesn't cooperate with liberal popes in the same way that a conservative Congress works with Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted December 17, 2015 39 minutes ago, other one said: but both are responsible for thier administrations.... It's as if there were two separate administrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1x1is1 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,146 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 732 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/30/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1950 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: It's as if there were two separate administrations. Perhaps the pope should take a lesson from D. Trump. . . . . . . "curia, YOUR FIRED"! And still, if a person other then Jesus claims to be infallible in his words, then how infallible is it if he allows the words to be altered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted December 18, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 hour ago, 1x1is1 said: ... And still, if a person other then Jesus claims to be infallible in his words, then how infallible is it if he allows the words to be altered? I doubt there are two Roman Catholics who can agree as to how many times the doctrine of infallibility has been applied by the Roman papacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted December 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2015 On 12/17/2015 at 3:00 PM, 1x1is1 said: Perhaps the pope should take a lesson from D. Trump. . . . . . . "curia, YOUR FIRED"! And still, if a person other then Jesus claims to be infallible in his words, then how infallible is it if he allows the words to be altered? No one is personally infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted December 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.50 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2015 9 hours ago, thereselittleflower said: No one is personally infallible. I assume you still agree with the following definition from Catholic Answers. Ex cathedra is a Latin phrase which means "from the chair." It refers to binding and infallible papal teachings which are promulgated by the pope when he officially teaches in his capacity of the universal shepherd of the Church a doctrine on a matter of faith or morals and addresses it to the entire world. The concept derives from Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted December 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2015 4 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: I assume you still agree with the following definition from Catholic Answers. Ex cathedra is a Latin phrase which means "from the chair." It refers to binding and infallible papal teachings which are promulgated by the pope when he officially teaches in his capacity of the universal shepherd of the Church a doctrine on a matter of faith or morals and addresses it to the entire world. The concept derives from Jesus. That doesn't make anyone personally infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted December 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 14.50 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2015 27 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: That doesn't make anyone personally infallible. Including the Pope when he speaks on faith and morals to the global RCC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted December 21, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 21, 2015 13 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Including the Pope when he speaks on faith and morals to the global RCC? That still is not personal infalliblity. The infalliblity Catholics believe in does not arise from the person, but the Holy Spirit. Catholics believe the Holy Spirit works through the Pope, and the Bishops collectively, the same way the Holy Spirit operated through the Apostles to teach the christian faith. Today it is not to deliver new doctrines, but to protect what was delivered to the Apostles and through them to the Church. But none of this resides in the individual. No one is personally infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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