What is the "Gospel" of Yashua, (Jesus)?

[thereselittleflower]

33 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said:

That portion of scripture was added later to bring in trinitarian thinking.  

The baptismal formula is found in the book of Acts, and that is the correct way to baptise.  In the NAME of Yashua.  

There is overwhelming evidence that it didnt exist until long after the apostles had died.

When was it added?

 

Are you saying the teaching of the Trinity is false?

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

32 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said:

There are many, I am convinced, who live IN Yashua.  Today, now.  The proof is Elijah.  He said that he alone was left to do the right, but YAH told him that he had several thousand men who never knelt to an idol.

Walking with YAH is a very easy thing to do.  Noah did it, and several others after him.  We have an example...Yashua, Paul, and the other apostles.

We just have to put our mind to the heavenly, and we will be walking in the spirit.  

If that were true, if walking with God is a very easy thing to do, then Jesus must have lied, for HE said:

• Matt 7  13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy^a that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

The word translated "hard" above is:

• θλίβω thlíbō, thlee'-bo; akin to the base of G5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively):—afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.

 

This is the opposite of "easy."

 

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, completedbeliever1 said:

That portion of scripture was added later to bring in trinitarian thinking.  

The baptismal formula is found in the book of Acts, and that is the correct way to baptise.  In the NAME of Yashua.  

There is overwhelming evidence that it didnt exist until long after the apostles had died.

Where do people come up with these weird ideas?  There is absolutely no reason to believe that Matthews Gospel was not a complete Gospel to begin with, and given by Divine inspiration directly to Matthew. So there was nothing "added" to Matthew. The fact that Matthew recorded the specific words of Christ who said "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and  of the Holy Ghost" has more weight than what is subsequently stated in Acts.

While in Acts we do read that believers were baptized in the name of "Jesus", that should not mean that Matthew 28:19 is invalid. It simply means that the Holy Spirit does not necessarily use the same words in every occurrence of baptism. Indeed, in most cases it is simply stated that people were baptized.

[completedbeliever1]

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

When was it added?

 

Are you saying the teaching of the Trinity is false?

 

 

I dont know the exact day, because I was born in 1975, but it was before the council of Nicea.

Edited January 19, 2016 by completedbeliever1

[completedbeliever1]

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

If that were true, if walking with God is a very easy thing to do, then Jesus must have lied, for HE said:

• Matt 7  13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy^a that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

The word translated "hard" above is:

• θλίβω thlíbō, thlee'-bo; akin to the base of G5147; to crowd (literally or figuratively):—afflict, narrow, throng, suffer tribulation, trouble.

 

This is the opposite of "easy."

 

Walking with and not walking with is a choice.  

So yes, it is easy.  As easy as deciding to do it, or deciding not to do it.

He is obviously not saying that following is a difficult thing to do, but something people will have a hard time doing because worldly things get in the way.

"Let the dead bury the dead".  

[thereselittleflower]

2 hours ago, completedbeliever1 said:

I dont know the exact day, because I was born in 1975, but it was before the council of Nicea.

If you can't tell us when it was added or how or by who, then on what basis do you make this unfounded claim?

 

[thereselittleflower]

2 hours ago, completedbeliever1 said:

Walking with and not walking with is a choice.  

So yes, it is easy.  As easy as deciding to do it, or deciding not to do it.

He is obviously not saying that following is a difficult thing to do, but something people will have a hard time doing because worldly things get in the way.

"Let the dead bury the dead".  

Making choices is easy.

Following through with those choices is not.

Choices are a dime a dozen.   People make New Years resolutions every year, and few ever follow through, many never begin or make a half hearted attempt.   But most give up.

As they say, Hell is paved with good intentions.   

 

The christian path is not easy, it is simply, but simple =/= easy.   It is a choice we have to make every day, every moment.   At times that choice seems easy.  But in the absence of trials choices are easy.  But when trials come, when the choices we make become "REAL" they can be very hard choices to make.

 

 

 

[completedbeliever1]

3 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

Making choices is easy.

Following through with those choices is not.

Choices are a dime a dozen.   People make New Years resolutions every year, and few ever follow through, many never begin or make a half hearted attempt.   But most give up.

As they say, Hell is paved with good intentions.   

 

The christian path is not easy, it is simply, but simple =/= easy.   It is a choice we have to make every day, every moment.   At times that choice seems easy.  But in the absence of trials choices are easy.  But when trials come, when the choices we make become "REAL" they can be very hard choices to make.

 

 

 

Following through with the choice IS easy. Because of faith. 

"If anyone turns back then he is not of me."  (paraphrased).

New years resolutions are a bad example. 

We are talking about FAITH Therese, faith in the unseen.

Not some worldly celebration.

Turning back happens because people lose faith. Not because its hard.

When we make up our minds to do something we WILL do it ...NO MATTER WHAT.

[thereselittleflower]

23 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said:

Following through with the choice IS easy. Because of faith. 

"If anyone turns back then he is not of me."  (paraphrased).

New years resolutions are a bad example. 

We are talking about FAITH Therese, faith in the unseen.

Not some worldly celebration.

Turning back happens because people lose faith. Not because its hard.

When we make up our minds to do something we WILL do it ...NO MATTER WHAT.

Then let's use Jesus' own words:

 

Matthew 13:

 

The Parable of the Sower

1: On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seedfell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!


The Parable of the Sower Explained

18 Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it,then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.

20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Luke gives us even more detail:

Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
Luk 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
Luk 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 

And then,  Jesus' explanation of the parable: 

Luk 8:11 ¶Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of [this] life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Luk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep [it], and bring forth fruit with patience.

We see in verse 13 they:

• received the word - 
  1. to receive favourably, give ear to, embrace, make one's own, approve, not to reject -
• with JOY
• believed for a while - 
  1. to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
• then fell away - 
  1. to fall away, become faithless

So their belief was genuine, a saving faith, their joy was real, they quickly and easily and truly received the truths of the Christian faith and embraced them - yet they fell away, became faithless.


People turn back because it is hard regardless of what makes it hard.   Obviously, choices are not so easy as you make out.   Becoming overconfident is a precarious place to be.

 

[completedbeliever1]

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