Chapter 16 - Mark's ending

[junobet]

13 hours ago, Melony said:

My first reaction – was fear, with mouth open. Remember this John 8.1- 11 might fall (with a Mk 16 ending). My reaction was to not daring to see much into this – as a true finding. For me this finding is like 2 of these XXL church-roof-leaks. Yes, this is real. You too old ones: Trying to play like toddlers in you soap boxes – of slandery in old testament things - far too long. Yes in these things it would have always been good to learn from the more understanding ones. Also my beginners steps were - not daring to see much into this – as a true finding.

So today there is some understanding on my side. Having myself gone through this at a time. However after some 12 y of realy knowing this – I am much more in the calm. My soft smile to all this is there: Oh, how much we all loved these (seeming so valuable) extras. There will be a second discussion – for this. See this - cit.: #6 footnote. Kelhoffer 2001: 81pg

A given (cit.. as below) - list of last centuries scolary discussion :

A. Birch, Variae Lectiones ad Textum IV Evangeliorum, Hauniae 1801,226.

K. Lachmann, Rechenschaft über seine Ausgabe des Neuen Testaments, ThStKr 1830; 3: 843- 845.

K. Lachmann, Rechenschaft über die Ausgabe des Novum Testamentum Graece et Latine, Berlin 1842; 1: 314.

S. P. Tregelles, An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London 1854, 247- 251.

J. W. Burgon, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel According to S.Mark Vindicated against Recent Critical Objectors and Established, Oxford/London 1871, 41- 51.

B. F. Westcott/F. J. A. Hort, The New Testament in the Original Greek,Cambridge 1896; 2: 30- 33 Appendix.

C. R. Williams, The Appendices to the Gospel according to Mark, Transact of Conne Acad Art Scienc, 1915; 18: 444- 447.

G. Bardy, La litterature patristique des 'quaesstiones et responsiones' sur l'e criture sainte, RB 1932; 41: 228- 236;

J. Quasten, Patrology,3,337;

K. Aland, Bemerkungen zum Schluß des Markusevangeliums, in: Neotestamentica et Semitica. Studies in Honour of Matthew Black, Edinburgh 1969, see ( 160, 287,) 438 pg.

J. K. Elliott, The Text and Language of the Endings to Mark’s Gospel (1971), in:The Language and Style of the Gospel of Mark: An Edition of C. H. Turner’s “Notes on Marcan Usage” together with Comparable Studies (NT.S 71), Leiden/New York 1993, 203- 211 (here: 204 pg).

J. Hug, La finale de l’evangile de Marc: Mc 16,9 - 20 (Etudes Bibliques), Paris 1978, 11- 12, 193- 194.

From: J Kelhoffer. The witness of Eusebius ad martinum and other christian writings. To text-critical debates concerning the original conclusion to Mark's Gospel. Zeitrschrift NT wissenschaft u aeltere Kirche. 2001; 92: 78- 112. [80-81 pg.] Univ Upsala.

 

My- Prayer Request for – the very good leadership personal in greek text knoledge …DE

ps. NA (Nestle Aland text) was 2012 at a 28 th change. All changes are 2 or 3 years later taken by every bible society - world wide. Barbara Aland was 22 y married to K. Aland and has lead his work on to new standarts since 1994. She is now in her 79 th year. And still functions as Co-Autor at Muenster -Greek NT research. The true and upright succesion – A lokal leadership to uprise for the next 3 decads in great scolars quality at the University town (muenster Germany) is - much wanted. This is a mater that God wants to handle.                         (Having had only a glimpse here of what is happening )-       We are to pray into that one – please.

Passages that they now have started to handle- for the last 2- 3 years at INTF muenster DE – are: Acts, and starting to review gospel sections soon. (30 verses – were again changed at this NA 28- 2012 greek text readings – of catholoic letter. ) similar style - of deep cross-check work will still come. 

 

 

That is a good prayer request, melony!  And I have to thank you for reviving fond memories: back in the days of my youth I studied in Münster and got introduced to New Testament studies and the basics of textual criticism there. My Greek would have been too bad to go into that field myself but I was left with deep respect for those who did: One really has to have a burning love for the Bible to immerse oneself so deeply in it! When all of Münster went swimming in the canal on a hot summers day, they’d still be brooding over a “καί”, well knowing that it wouldn’t make a difference to the meaning of the text and still trying to find out whether the original text had it or not.

The wealth of manuscripts that were found and analyzed since guys like Tischendorf started their search is overwhelming. And who knows how much more are waiting in the desert sands. Praise be to God!

 

[Melony]

Greek -Text-Research leadership is needed (lokaly in DE)

Please pray ye all (that read here): This midle sise University Town- will need real Leadership in high quality scolarship. (chief researcher Mrs. Barbara Aland will not continue another 2 decades...). Evaluation of core gospel text has already started... A single person that is backing up all values with a personal lifestyle. A christian with standarts – help ye God! This is greek research!!

Since 1963 revision – there is the full shift towards the Codex findings already. After this the task became more complex. In textwork - to only go one step further – like @yunobet described - is also laying foundation for more traces and preparing later decisions. But an ability to oversee and structure well that whole system of Muenster (de) collection. To grasp and guide more of the collecting of that digital photo documentation. [P 45 Dublin reads: Mt 20- 21, 25- 26, Mk 4- 9, 11- 12, Lk 6- 7, 9- 14, Jh 4- 5, 10- 11, Ac 4- 17. (page Mt 25.41- 26.39 at vienna) ] A P45 Chester Beatty papyrus is not that rediscovered. But this papyrus list growth continuassly [130 2015, 134 Feb 2016], not allone with findings while opening and photodocumenting more privat collections. So keeping close contacts with qulified Scolars (online in digital photo-research) and always being uptodate with what happens at the peripherie also.

[Melony]

Verry good scriptur fragment

 

Eusebius is the significant – early (320- 340 ad) source. SEE: Wittness of Eusebius ad martinum, Kelhoffer 80- 83 p/ Original ending of Mark 2014: 93pg. Mk 16.9 ... they were afraid.“ is the ending „in nearly all the copies.“ that Esebius knew.

same thing with - Johns 8a Gospel [that makes it 2 passages – that loose out  12 verses].

 

Clear stands for/ or agaainst a KJV greek text:

 

A bishop in Syria wrongly decided 280 ad for his (alexandrian) greek text version

330 Eusebius writes clear words „unto Martinum“. He points us towards the trustworthy old text

[a chichister Dean (south UK) can not be referred to - as one that is understanding this content ]

The Reprint 1836 of „unto Martinum“ letter is found @greek text resource center, Paris

2014 a thesis on „unto Martinum“s details comes from Sveden, Upsala

 

Qualities that Eusebius knew of – are not met by (KJV) alexandrian greek text.

A shorter greek version is documeted to be the quality proven text

My clear no. KVJ cannot – after going through this analysis – be the old greak text. Others like B, and X (read aleph) greek text version may be superior.

 

Best wishes – Melony

 

Please pray - for Leadership in quality scolarship.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Melony