The End of the Gentile World System.

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6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yeah, that is some pretty egregious false teaching.    Israel and Judah only ever refer to the physical descendants  of Jacob.  Nowhere in the Bible are western nations called "Israel."   You appear to the adhere to the "British  Israelism"  cult.  

This is a board that supports the modern state of Israel and does not ascribe to the doctrines of British Israelism. 

Israel and Judah are seperate .Only Judah returned to form the tiny nation we call Israel today.The bad figs returned with them,and scripture calls them "those that call themselves Jew's but are not.

Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: Then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

Again only Judah returned,so do tell,where is Israel?

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1 minute ago, n2thelight said:

Israel and Judah are seperate .Only Judah returned to form the tiny nation we call Israel today.The bad figs returned with them,and scripture calls them "those that call themselves Jew's but are not.

Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: Then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

Again only Judah returned,so do tell,where is Israel?

God knows who the descendants of the other tribes are and He will gather them back into the Land, per Ezekiel 37.    But the fact is that Gentiles are not Israelites.  Again that is false teaching  generated by people who don't know the Scriptures.   British Israelism is a cult and does not reflect the pure word of God.   If that is what you believe in you are completely wrong.

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ISRAEL AND JUDAH SEPARATE NATIONS

The 12 Tribes of Israel became two nations, with widely different destinies, until the time when they will be united in the coming age. (Ezek. 37:22). The distinction or separation between Judah and Israel was fore-shadowed at an early date. We read in Psalm 114:1,2 "When Israel went out of Egypt... Judah was His sanctuary and Israel His dominion." In Samuel’s day, the two Houses Judah and Israel were numbered separately. In 1 Samuel 11:8 we read, "And when he numbered them in Bezey, the children of Israel were three hundred thousands and the men of Judah thirty thousand."

Notice that even at this early date, Israel numbered ten times more than Judah. The numerical contrast today is very much greater. The Bible tells us that the Jews would be "few in number," but it tells us that Israel would be as the sands of the sea for multitudes (Hosea 1:19). The Scriptures tells us that David reigned seven years over Judah before he was made King over Israel. If Judah and Israel are the same, how could David be king for seven years over Judah before he was made King over Israel? Until the year 975 B. C. the descendants of Jacob formed one nation. But they are spoken of as "the two families which the Lord hath chosen" (Jer. 33:24).

In the year 975 B. C. at the death of King Solomon, the nation was divided into two nations. In 1 Samuel 18:16, the expression "All Israel" is used, when Judah is excluded. I will quote you this passage:"But all Israel and Judah loved David, because he went out and came in before them." In II Chronicles 10:12-14 we are told that when Solomon died, and his son Rehoboam came to the throne, the ten Tribes rebelled, and under Jeroboam, formed the Northern Nation; while Judah, along with Benjamin and certain Levites, formed the Southern Nation.
 

Scriptures don't lie

 

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4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

God knows who the descendants of the other tribes are and He will gather them back into the Land, per Ezekiel 37.    But the fact is that Gentiles are not Israelites.  Again that is false teaching  generated by people who don't know the Scriptures.   British Israelism is a cult and does not reflect the pure word of God.   If that is what you believe in you are completely wrong.

Never said God did'nt know.Yet YOU can't tell me where Israel is today,and the fact remains they are not in the nation we call Israel today...And NO I don't agree with British Israel either....

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3 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Never said God did'nt know.Yet YOU can't tell me where Israel is today,and the fact remains they are not in the nation we call Israel today...And NO I don't agree with British Israel either....

Actually we don't know that they are not in the land.  Many of the tribes of Israel are coming back into the land.  You simply cannot assume that the Hebrews living in the land are only from the tribe of Judah.     I cannot tell you where all of the other tribes are in the world.   But then neither can you and claiming that the western Gentile nations constitute Israel is the heart of the British Israelism cult.   Perhaps you subscribe to a variant of that false teaching, but whatever.   The bottom line is that any claim that western nations are "Israel" is false and cannot be based on Scripture. 

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15 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Actually we don't know that they are not in the land.  Many of the tribes of Israel are coming back into the land.  You simply cannot assume that the Hebrews living in the land are only from the tribe of Judah.     I cannot tell you where all of the other tribes are in the world.   But then neither can you and claiming that the western Gentile nations constitute Israel is the heart of the British Israelism cult.   Perhaps you subscribe to a variant of that false teaching, but whatever.   The bottom line is that any claim that western nations are "Israel" is false and cannot be based on Scripture. 

I disagree,scrpture clearly says where they are.Also define gentile?

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ISRAEL DISTINCT FROM JUDAH

Unless we see the distinction between the "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah" from the time of the division till the final and glorious reunion of the Two Houses, which will take place at the end of the "latter days," the prophecies concerning Israel cannot be understood. From the time of the division into two kingdoms until now, Judah and Israel have remained absolutely distinct. They were carried into captivity separately, at different times and by different nations, because Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians, 721 B. C.—(II Kings 17:6) while Judah was carried into captivity 133 years later by the Babylonians 588 B. C. (II Kings 25:21). A portion of Judah returned after 70 years, as had been predicted (Ezra 2:1), but Israel never returned nor was there any prediction that she would return until the final, glorious, restoration in the near future. All the prophecies were written after division of the tribes into two nations; and these prophecies give the whole future of Israel as entirely distinct from Judah.

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2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Trevor & Murphy,

That view you are saying - Western nations are the scattered tribes of Israel & Judah the other part. Did you realise that that doctrine formerly called `British Israel` is a false doctrine & not even allowed here on Worthy. So I`d be careful if I were you, bros. And also discuss with someone who can show you the errors of that teaching.

Regards, Marilyn.  

"Doctrines" are of men, I reject all doctrines.

I had not heard of any such teaching at the time that I discovered my own identity by reading the entire Word.

The covenant made with Abraham, sands and stars, the innumerable.

 

Somehow, people believe that the Israelite died, became extinct, and that somehow Christians crawled out of the waters as amoeba and began and entire new race of human.

It's a serious question, where do you think you came from?

 

You base your religion on the foundation of the Jewish people and then you reject your foundation.......this is confounding to me.

 

Either God lied, or you have a biblical problem.

 

Further, throughout all of the Tanakh, God promises to regather his people, Israel. This has yet to happen.

 

Did your God lie?

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56 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

God knows who the descendants of the other tribes are and He will gather them back into the Land, per Ezekiel 37.    But the fact is that Gentiles are not Israelites.  Again that is false teaching  generated by people who don't know the Scriptures.   British Israelism is a cult and does not reflect the pure word of God.   If that is what you believe in you are completely wrong.

This is the great mystery that Paul spoke of.

 

Those with eyes to see and ears to hear...........Israelites. As is was then, it is now.

 

I can show you some things.......proof......but it's a long long path.

 

Read the bible from beginning to end, you will see.

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I will suggest something else to you. All that is spoken of here is also found in the NT.

It depends on what color glasses you wear as to whether or not you will see it.

Israel is in the NT, but you have been taught otherwise by the church, from the day you arrived at church. Rather than handing you a pair of reading glasses, they handed you blinders so you cannot see.

 

It's there, Israel is there.