The problem with sacraments

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2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

You have not demonstrated any parallels.  Your attempt at parallels has been a dismal failure because you really don't understand Judaism.    You have not provided me with any sources in terms of authors, articles, etc.  regarding where you are getting your information.  Still waiting for you to provide these for review.

When did I say that?

 

I understand that. But the Bible doesn't say that.

 

I am still at a loss as to what you keep accusing me of saying.  You are really not articulating well and I have not said anything like you claim I have.  I think you are assigning to me what you want to respond to, rather than what I have actually said.   You are trying to refute arguments I never raised.

 

I am sorry, but you really need to read my responses.  I didn't say anything about carnal descent or circumcision. 

I said....................

They alone are able to superceed the Levitical priesthood. But Gentiles are not. Gentiles which think their calling is equal in this are considered to replace the Calling which is only to Israel. They do not mind replacement, but only for themselves leaving the law of a carnal commandment intact, in Christ

To which you responded

That I understand, but that is again a corporate calling for the nation of Israel as a whole, which will be fulfilled during the millennium.   I don't see the connection between that and the sacraments.

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Are the fall feasts fulfilled Shiloh?

Is the new covenant in the blood of Christ made with all nations?

[kwikphilly]

Uh,I'm getting a headache,,,,,,,,,

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11 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Uh,I'm getting a headache,,,,,,,,,

Kwik, the day of atonement was a fall feast. To deny that Christ fulfilled this is to deny his atonement for our sin. The Passover was not an atonement sacrifice for sin.

[kwikphilly]

I'm a Christian,,,,,,I was never Jewish,,,,,,never in denial of any of my Lord & Saviors FINISHED WORK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus fulfilled all the Law & the Prophets,,,,,,,

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Just now, kwikphilly said:

I'm a Christian,,,,,,I was never Jewish,,,,,,never in denial of any of my Lord & Saviors FINISHED WORK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus fulfilled all the Law & the Prophets,,,,,,,

Then what of Messianic Judaism's claim that the fall feasts have not been fulfilled? The day of atonement was a fall feast.

I agree, the Christian Gospel is he has fulfilled all the sacrifices due our sin. It is finished, once for all, and he now has sat down at the right hand of God waiting for his enemies to be made his footstool.

[kwikphilly]

Ask Murphy,,,,,,I think(I could be mistaken?)he believes that the feasts have not yet been fulfilled,,,,,,,,,it is a mis-interpretation of Gods Word is what it is,,,,,,,or something out of their head? Beats me Sis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,II am not under delusion,I cannot answer for them that are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?????

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7 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Ask Murphy,,,,,,I think(I could be mistaken?)he believes that the feasts have not yet been fulfilled,,,,,,,,,it is a mis-interpretation of Gos Word is what it is,,,,,,,or something out of their head? Beats me Sis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,II am not under delusion,I cannot answer for them that are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?????

Well kwik , pretty much all (almost all) Messianics hold that it has not been fulfilled yet. I am not sure on this concerning Jews 4 Jesus, people like Dr. Michael Brown. Your friend "q" began a very long drawn out argument over this not to long ago. Which I finally let go of for the mess the entire conversation was being drawn into.

it can be missed, as it is simply presented as the spring feasts vs the fall feasts. Let us all learn more by looking at the feasts

Seems so innocent and helpful heh?

[Guest shiloh357]

14 minutes ago, Joline said:

Then what of Messianic Judaism's claim that the fall feasts have not been fulfilled? The day of atonement was a fall feast.

I agree, the Christian Gospel is he has fulfilled all the sacrifices due our sin. It is finished, once for all, and he now has sat down at the right hand of God waiting for his enemies to be made his footstool.

Well, those festivals have not been fulfilled in terms of Jesus' 2nd coming and the millennial reign of Christ on earth.  That is true.   The festivals are also prophecies and the first 4 were fulfilled in Jesus' first coming.  The last three will be fulfilled when he returns.

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Just now, shiloh357 said:

Well, those festivals have not been fulfilled in terms of Jesus' 2nd coming and the millennial reign of Christ on earth.  That is true.   The festivals are also prophecies and the first 4 were fulfilled in Jesus' first coming.  The last three will be fulfilled when he returns.

See here we have it, pretty standard stuff. Christs fulfilling the atonemet for sin is still yet to Come. We are not walking in it yet.

This folks is not the gospel......................