A Serpent's Tail

[Ezra]

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Do you really know you will be out of here before this? Why?

Why not?  The Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are not reserved for the saints. Christ took all the judgments for the saints upon Himself.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

Why not?  The Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are not reserved for the saints. Christ took all the judgments for the saints upon Himself.

If you could provide one single scripture to say that the Tribulation is God's judgment, you might have a case. But the 5th Seal, along with Matt. 24:9-12, say that this time is the persecution of the saints by "lawless" unbelievers, not God's judgment.

This is just another case of the Pre-Trib doctrine adding something to the Word that isn't there.

[Ezra]

15 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

If you could provide one single scripture to say that the Tribulation is God's judgment, you might have a case.

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:5-11).

Please note the connection between the underlined words, which are applicable to the unbelieving and the ungodly. When God says to the one who "worketh good", that good work according to Christ is to believe on Him and then to do good works.

[WilliamL]

3 hours ago, Ezra said:

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:5-11).

Please note the connection between the underlined words, which are applicable to the unbelieving and the ungodly. When God says to the one who "worketh good", that good work according to Christ is to believe on Him and then to do good works.

Wrath brings tribulation, whether it be the wrath of God or man. If it is of man, it is still tribulation:

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation...

Nothing in your post above attaches that scripture to the Great Tribulation. Therefore, you still have not provided any scriptural evidence that the Great Tribulation is the work of God, rather than that of man.

Whereas I provided scriptural evidence that the 5th Seal of the Trib is caused by lawless men. As is the 1st Seal up through the 5th.

Also, that God's Wrath actually begins after the 6th Seal is opened. Rev. 6:17

Which all brings us full circle back to those tail-cast spirits, who come to earth just before the Manchild is born:

On 6/2/2016 at 2:38 PM, WilliamL said:

What will be their mission? Are we seeing it already taking place? If so, what is prophesied to happen next?

Could this mission have started in the vicinity of Damascus? Is the spiritual effect of that mission now spreading throughout the world?

What kind of spirits are metaphorically associated with the tail of a creature, rather than the head?

Some folks on this website can connect the dots, I know. Others don't really want to delve into it.

[WilliamL]

On 6/3/2016 at 5:53 PM, WilliamL said:

Could this mission have started in the vicinity of Damascus? Is the spiritual effect of that mission now spreading throughout the world?

What kind of spirits are metaphorically associated with the tail of a creature, rather than the head?

The head and mouth of the Dragon/Satan can reasonably presumed to be the source of evil schemes (head), and lying and deceiving words (mouth).

His tail would reasonably represent his lower nature: sexual perversion and carnal appetites, including all forms of viciousness and violence.

Isn't it the latter that that been most apparent in the maelstrom surrounding Damascus? Not only from ISIS, but from Assad's government and allied Syrian warlords, and Russian, Hezbollah, and Iranian enclaves, and the so-called "freedom fighters" backed by the CIA and Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Qatar? Do not we see this spirit metastasizing to Turkey and Iraq and Europe and Africa and America and Israel?

Isaiah 17:1 The oracle/doom of Damascus. Behold, Damascus will cease from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. 2 The cities of Aroer [are] forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make [them] afraid. 3 The fortress/stronghold then/also shall cease from Ephraim, and dominion from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts. 4 And in that day it shall come to pass, [that] the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean. ...In that day their strong cities will be like forsaken places in the forest, or like branches which they abandoned before the sons of Israel; and the land will be a desolation.

Isaiah tells us, it seems, that the same spirit(s) that bring about the destruction of Damascus will then befall the Israelite people: "the time of Jacob's trouble." Even as Damascus shall be destroyed by spirits of chaos, perversion, and the basest carnality, so will Joseph's and Israel's cities be destroyed.

And the very tail-cast spirits sent to cause the destruction arrive just before the Manchild is to be born, and the Woman is to flee into the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

[Montana Marv]

I have asked this question before.

If a Believer in Christ dies say today or tomorrow; Where does his Soul go?  Or those Believers who have already died, Where have their Souls gone?

Describe the process:

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

Please stick to the topic, Marv, or start a new one. Don't try to divert this one, please.

[Montana Marv]

15 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Please stick to the topic, Marv, or start a new one. Don't try to divert this one, please.

Should have [posted it in Pre, Mid topic.

Thanks

In Christ

Montana Marv