Baptism/sinners prayer--today ~~yesterday

[Willa]

The baptism part was OK, but I didn't want to join that church.  There was no food there because they didn't preach the Word.  So I did it for my mom's sake.  The only thing I agreed with was believers baptism by immersion.  

[Ezra]

19 minutes ago, Willa said:

The baptism part was OK, but I didn't want to join that church.  

Well that was my point. Making church membership a requirement is not found in Scripture (although ideally that would naturally follow).

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Willa said:

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.  Romans 3:23  There is None righteous, no not one.  Romans 3:10 Jews must also come to repentance and depend on God for a righteousness based on faith in God's promises. 

Read Romans 3 and 4.  

The Gospel is about the Life of God in us, that we are not separated from God, that we are one with him, and that's not of our selfs, but because of Jesus Christ. 

If Jesus Christ is one with God, then we are one with God, we are all partakers of the same Spirit, that's what Paul is teaching, through out his epistles. 

The Jewish people that time were not Sinners, they lived in a sinnles society. I am referring to those who were obedient to the Law. That's what it is in the bible.

If someone sin, there was provisions how to get rid of the sin and continue in his sinnles life. 

It is not right to tell a Jewish upright person that he is a sinner. 

The Jewish people of that time, had the Attonment for the year, after year. They were a holy nation. 

They were under the blood of the yearly Attonment. Holy people. 

But something was missing, which only the Christ could give. 

Hope that you read all the scriptures very carefully. 

Paul said that not before Jesus Christ but after the Cross. 

Jesus also said the same thing, to the Jews, that their righteousness through the Law will come to an end at the Cross, then if they don't believe in him, they will be in their sins. Not before the Cross but after.

Paul if he is addressing the Jews with Romans 3: he is addressing them after the Cross, when the Temple was not anymore with the blessings of God, and the sacrifices meant nothing to God, and the High Priest was not anymore the High Priest of God, read the bible, not just commentaries. 

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The Jewish people of that time, had the Attonment for the year, after year. They were a holy nation. 

Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion, or why this post is relevant to baptism today. If Israel had been a "holy nation" at that time, judgement would not have fallen upon it in 70 AD.

[Openly Curious]

11 hours ago, woundeddog said:

well some ones gotta do it!

 

   buzzzz

[woundeddog]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If someone sin, there was provisions how to get rid of the sin and continue in his sinnles life. 

If they were sinless- there would have been no need for the temple sacrifices--- book of Hebrews state that the temple sacrifices only covered sin- did not forgive it until Jesus made the Final once and for all sacrifice--- the sinning Jews where safe from damnation because they trusted the coming sacrifice and showed it by the temple sacifices- they offered for teir sin-- if they where sinless why would they have participated in the prescribed temple sacrifices??

[Willa]

Mat 5:20 WEB  For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This was what Jesus said prior to His death and resurrection, while the Jews were still living under the old testament law.  All the law did was show them their need of a Savior.  Those who were like Abraham trusted in God to provide a Sacrifice and looked for the coming of their Redeemer, Jesus.  Even Job said as much prior to the law and Abraham.  

Mat 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for his baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?  8  Therefore produce fruit worthy of repentance.  

Mat 23:27  “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.  28  Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

This is what John the Baptist and Jesus had to say about the righteousness of those who prided themselves in keeping the law and who depended on their yearly sacrifices to pay for their sins.  Read Mathew 5-8 again.  

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Willa said:

Mat 5:20 WEB  For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This was what Jesus said prior to His death and resurrection, while the Jews were still living under the old testament law.  All the law did was show them their need of a Savior.  Those who were like Abraham trusted in God to provide a Sacrifice and looked for the coming of their Redeemer, Jesus.  Even Job said as much prior to the law and Abraham.  

Mat 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for his baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?  8  Therefore produce fruit worthy of repentance.  

Mat 23:27  “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.  28  Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

This is what John the Baptist and Jesus had to say about the righteousness of those who prided themselves in keeping the law and who depended on their yearly sacrifices to pay for their sins.  Read Mathew 5-8 again.  

 

I am not asking you not to make an argument, but hoped that you were going to make an argument based on the scriptures, a sound argument.

The Jewish people at that time were the children of the Lord God, they were not sinners, they were Holy. 

The preisthood were Holy, eating from the Holy things offered to the Lord, only the preisthood was allow to eat from the Holy offering to the Lord, they also ate the Holy bread that was set on the table before the Lord.

If they were not Holy, they will die.

Our sister, Qunts2 is well educated in these matters, hope that she could put it in a way to help you see through the scriptures and not through commentaries from people who refuse examination. 

Jesus acknowledge their righteousness of the Law. 

And on the high Holidays presented them selfs to the Lord, and he call them my Holy Nation. 

All this before the resuraction, while the Temple still had the blessing of the Lord. 

The Jewish people or the Israelites were saved from been accounted among the Gentiles, they had their Lords inheritance here on earth, and also they had their Lords inheritance after they died, but they did not have a Heavenly inheritance. Hope that you can find that in the bible. 

Both Abraham and his descendace had the Lord earthly inheritance and the Lords inheritance that was made known as the blossom of Abraham, but neither one was a Heavenly inheritance.

[kwikphilly]

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Romans 3:10-12King James Version (KJV)

¹⁰ As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

¹¹ There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

¹² They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is 

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King James Bible   Psalm 14:3
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not on

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Romans 3:23King James Version (KJV)

²³ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Here is your Scriptures Friendnt,,,,,,,,ALL means ALL,,,,,no exceptions,,,,,,,,,,,                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

Abraham believed in the PROMISE if the SEED to come,that is JESUS

[Your closest friendnt]

36 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Here is your Scriptures Friendnt,,,,,,,,ALL means ALL,,,,,no exceptions,,,,,,,,,,,                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

Abraham believed in the PROMISE if the SEED to come,that is JESUS

All mean all , no exceptions, 

What does the wrighter of the above scriptures was addressing, snd what did he try to bring to light.

Hope that you don't suggest for a moment that he use this scripture to call himself names, or to call names his contemporaries, or those who live before him, or those who will come after him.

I hope not.

The writter is not Paul, so the prophet who wrote this, he is trying to tell us something, that God is looking for someone to carry on a very special mission, and no matter how long he may have to wait he will never find the one that could be qualified for this mission.

The prophet is telling us that the Lord has a problem to solve, and how can he can solve his problem when he can not find no one to be qualified for this mission from among his people.

Did the Lord reveal to the writer how he is going to solve his problem. 

Jesus tell us that he did, the other prophets later on gave enough to reveal that he did and how he is going to do it.

All the answers are known to you and are familiar scriptures to you, so I will just leave it for you to find out, at least for awhile, and if you ask for my input, I will be oblige. 

Hope to hear from you.