Once saved always saved?

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, RealPresence said:

WRONG.

"Accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" is cooperating with Grace.
Getting Baptized is cooperating with grace.
Remaining Faithful is cooperating with grace.

No, it is not cooperating.   Salvation is Jesus + 0.   Salvation isn't me and God working together.  It is  100% a work of God from beginning to end.

Getting Baptized (immersed) and remaining faithful are fruit of salvation, not the means of keeping salvation.    Remaining faithful is rooted in works and if remaining faithful is necessary for salvation, then you are promoting a false gospel of a works-based system of salvation.

Nothing in the Bible says we are to "cooperate" with grace.  That is just a another doctrine of demons from Satan's Roman Catholic Cult

[RealPresence]

21 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not cooperating.   Salvation is Jesus + 0.   Salvation isn't me and God working together.  It is  100% a work of God from beginning to end.

Getting Baptized (immersed) and remaining faithful are fruit of salvation, not the means of keeping salvation.    Remaining faithful is rooted in works and if remaining faithful is necessary for salvation, then you are promoting a false gospel of a works-based system of salvation.

Nothing in the Bible says we are to "cooperate" with grace.  That is just a another doctrine of demons from Satan's Roman Catholic Cult

Wanna bet??

In 1 Cor. 3:9 and 2 Cor. 6:1, Paul says that we are CO-WORKERS with God and uses the explicit term "Sunergos" (συνεργοσ), which means "cooperate with".
If you don't cooperate with God's grace - you will be LOST.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, RealPresence said:

Wanna bet??

In 1 Cor. 3:9 and 2 Cor. 6:1, Paul says that we are CO-WORKERS with God and uses the explicit term "Sunergos" (συνεργοσ), which means "cooperate with".
If you don't cooperate with God's grace - you will be LOST.

 

That is talking about service, not salvation.  Being coworker with God happens AFTER we are saved.  It is not cooperating with grace.  WE are not partners with God in salvation.  It is his work not ours.

[RealPresence]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That is talking about service, not salvation.  Being coworker with God happens AFTER we are saved.  It is not cooperating with grace.  WE are not partners with God in salvation.  It is his work not ours.

You Protestants are fond of asking the unbiblical question:
"Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?"

What do you think THIS is??
It is cooperation (sunergos) with God's grace because you have a free will to accept of reject. His grace.  He doesn't force it on anybody.
 

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, RealPresence said:

You Protestants are fond of asking the unbiblical question:
"Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?"

What do you think THIS is??
It is cooperation (sunergos) with God's grace because you have a free will to accept of reject. His grace.  He doesn't force it on anybody.
 

No, that's not cooperation and I am actually a free will person.

Accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior isn't in the Bible, but it doesn't violate any biblical doctrine either.  It is simply a means of saying that each of us must come to a point of decision about Jesus.  We must each be born again.  

[Heb 13:8]

3 hours ago, RealPresence said:

This says nothing about “accepting Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior” - either explicitly or implicitly.
Whereas, this is a good idea - it is NOT stated in Scripture.

No, what 1 John 4:3 is confirming that you're not even aware of lol, is that you have the spirit of the antichrist, and nobody here is swallowing your religious nonsense. Read Rom 10:9.

[RealPresence]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

No, that's not cooperation and I am actually a free will person.

Accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior isn't in the Bible, but it doesn't violate any biblical doctrine either.  It is simply a means of saying that each of us must come to a point of decision about Jesus.  We must each be born again.  

When somebody gives you a gift - you can either reject it or cooperate with their good will and receive it.
The SAME is true for God's grace.

The idea that God forces His love on us is unbiblical and blasphemous.
He is a perfect example of God's grace being rejected:

Matt. 23:27
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU WERE NOT WILLING."
 

[RealPresence]

2 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No, what 1 John 4:3 is confirming that you're not even aware of lol, is that you have the spirit of the antichrist, and nobody here is swallowing your religious nonsense. Read Rom 10:9.

The perfect antidote for people like YOU who cling to Rom. 10:9 for the false hope of Eternal Security is Matt. 7:21-23.
Rom. 10:9 is talking about the INITIAL grace of faith.

Matt. 7:21-23 is about people who think that is ALL they needed to do . . .

[Heb 13:8]

3 minutes ago, RealPresence said:

When somebody gives you a gift - you can either reject it or cooperate with their good will and receive it.
The SAME is true for God's grace.

The idea that God forces His love on us is unbiblical and blasphemous.
He is a perfect example of God's grace being rejected:

Matt. 23:27
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU WERE NOT WILLING."
 

Relationship vs fellowship. Just because your dad stopped calling you doesn't mean he's no longer your dad by blood. We are connected to christ by blood. You wouldn't understand this. It's ok.

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, RealPresence said:

The problem you are having is understanding just what His Church is.
This is what the Word of God has to say on the matter . . .

his church is not a political organization living in the Vatican holding millions of poor sheep captive with the threat of hell .

the Church is the body of called out believers in the loving grace of Christ.

as far as what the word of God says , you are not correctly interpreting it