Once saved always saved?

[woundeddog]

9 minutes ago, RealPresence said:

How is that "Unity"??

you missed what I said-- R"REAL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES"

the Bible says wide is the way to destruction, and narrow the way to salvation and few there be that find it

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[woundeddog]

6 minutes ago, RealPresence said:

MOST people need help understanding it

if a person is not indwelt buy the holy spirit the Bible is impossible to understand---

[woundeddog]

22 minutes ago, Yowm said:

"Even the demons believe and tremble"

Yowm quoted RP who took this out of context- the entire verse is "You believe God is one, you do well, even the devils believe and they tremble"--- the inference is that just believing in 'A" god is no big thing because the devils believe in "A" god------ again this is a sad example of the RCC church not handling the word of God as it was meant to be handled----- its like using a violin as a hammer instead of to make music-- they just dont have the Holy Spirit to lead them into all truth

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, RealPresence said:

Many of these are essentials - deal-breakers.
How is that "Unity"??

as a side note- I work in a Non-Denominational Christian ministry  dealing with the homeless-- we have 4 services a day 30 days a month-- about 120 services a month- various churchs come into do the services---- maybe 40 or so different churchs- of all different denominations-- all preach the same message- Christ alone, faith alone--- that is true unity of the Spirit- All agree on the basics and there is no hierarchy dictating doctrine- it is the leading of the Holy Spirit that makes us one

[RealPresence]

4 hours ago, woundeddog said:

if a person is not indwelt buy the holy spirit the Bible is impossible to understand---

This is one of the most ignorant things I have read so far.
It is by reading or hearing the word of God that brings MANY people to him.  

They are not "indwelt' with the Holy Spirit - they are seeking the truth and find something in Scripture that touches them.

It's this sort of arrogance that turns people away from this sort of self-righteous Protestant proselytizing . . .

[RealPresence]

3 hours ago, woundeddog said:

as a side note- I work in a Non-Denominational Christian ministry  dealing with the homeless-- we have 4 services a day 30 days a month-- about 120 services a month- various churchs come into do the services---- maybe 40 or so different churchs- of all different denominations-- all preach the same message- Christ alone, faith alone--- that is true unity of the Spirit- All agree on the basics and there is no hierarchy dictating doctrine- it is the leading of the Holy Spirit that makes us one

And I already gave you about a dozen essential differences right off the top of my head.  
This is NOT unity - it's splintered mess brought on by spiritual pride.

[RealPresence]

5 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Sin damages fellowship, not relationship. We will forever be connected by blood, and believers do not worry about hell or death. Why do you think there's so many martyr's.

That's NOT what the Word of God says:

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN  in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”

Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation.  How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER  receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”

This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei).  This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.
 

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.

For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.

Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE  their salvation by their own doing.
 

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness or they will LOSE the salvation (secure position).

 

[RealPresence]

5 hours ago, Yowm said:

Again...How much must you obey to receive God's promise?

We must strive to be PERFECT., as Jesus commands (Matt. 5:48).

Jesus NEVER said, "Don't try because you don't have to. Don't be faithful because I am faith for for you.
Don't do the will of the Father and obey my commands because I've got you covered."
He said just the opposite.

This "Jesus" you've invented doesn't exist . . .

[RealPresence]

4 hours ago, woundeddog said:

Yowm quoted RP who took this out of context- the entire verse is "You believe God is one, you do well, even the devils believe and they tremble"--- the inference is that just believing in 'A" god is no big thing because the devils believe in "A" god------ again this is a sad example of the RCC church not handling the word of God as it was meant to be handled----- its like using a violin as a hammer instead of to make music-- they just dont have the Holy Spirit to lead them into all truth

Wrong.
James was talking about the importance of WORKS and OBEDIENCE of faith.

Faith without works doesn't exist - any more than water without hydrogen.

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, RealPresence said:

6 hours ago, woundeddog said:

if a person is not indwelt buy the holy spirit the Bible is impossible to understand---

This is one of the most ignorant things I have read so far.
It is by reading or hearing the word of God that brings MANY people to him.  

They are not "indwelt' with the Holy Spirit - they are seeking the truth and find something in Scripture that touches them.

It's this sort of arrogance that turns people away from this sort of self-righteous Protestant proselytizing . . .

Oh, so I guess you are Calling the Apostle Paul ignorant and self-righteous?

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.