Essential vs Nonessential

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

If indeed wearing pants is a sin, which some put forth, then to continue to sin would be a rejection of Christ.   Think about it this way, if someone said "yeah, I know that fornication is a sin, but I am going to do it anyhow",  would you think that could affect their salvation?

Jesus was made the propitration for our sins.

How do you see this scripture?

 

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus was made the propitration for our sins.

How do you see this scripture?

 

Jesus being the propitiation for our sins does not give us license to continue to live a sinful lifestyle.  

[Your closest friendnt]

12 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Jesus being the propitiation for our sins does not give us license to continue to live a sinful lifestyle.  

What Jesus has to say to someone who believes in him and has a sin? 

Is he going to call the Devil and say to him: 

Take this believer of mine whom I have bought with my blood with you to Hell. 

What is greater than the blood of Jesus Christ.

Jesus redeemed us with his blood, When we were in our sins. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

Hi and thanks for the compliment UCF - Good questions. There is a bit confusion though with some differentiating between essential and nonessential, and my reply to Ezra is what I have been posting on many of the sites I share on due to this misunderstanding.

My intention was to help others realize not only the reason for all Scripture (love one another thereby loving God 1John 4:20) but to take a closer look at it and discern what Scriptures are used for what reason. Plus this might help reduce the problem of being too dogmatic to aid in being more pragmatic (practical in sense and action).

Blessings!

 

For what I understand, Paul had to address rituals, he witness that many had put too much value to rituals. 

Why it is important to others to witness someone partaking in their rituals so they could be accepted among them, because they could only recognize one another by their participation in their rituals, their confession and how they lived. 

This is how they accept one another even visitors who come from different  churches . 

 To make the story brief, Paul is explaining to them, that Jesus Christ knows who is his own before they do and before the person partakes in any rituals. 

That he can see the faith in the heart of someone the very moment they believe , that Jesus imputes his righteousness to any one who believes in him, the very moment they believe in their hearts.

Anything else that follows has it's place, but not to receive something that someone has received already, this is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. 

Which has happened when faith has risen in the heart of someone for the very first time. 

"With the heart man believes unto righteousness"..

Hope that I am not suggesting anything else, only that Jesus is our peace with God. In his name, we are born from above only in his name. 

We have received the Attonment from our sins only in his name. When we believed in our heart. 

That's how Jesus see it, that does not mean the others see it that way. 

Even to the extend that many who believe in him, they look in many different directions to convince them selfs that they belong to Jesus, so along the way they learn how to judge faith in Jesus Christ without outwardly evidence. 

And they demand everyone else to follow in their own path. 

And everyone who does not is judged as not being Saved. 

What we own to one another is love, and love has many faces, but never the face of judging anyone with faith in Jesus Christ, of going to Hell, because of this or because of that.....

 

[WordSword]

18 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

 

I'm post this to let others know that I'm having problems with this site when attempting to reply. Every time I try to post it directs me to a prior reply of a different user, i.e. I'm trying to reply to YCF but I keep getting a reply window for The Shadows.

[enoob57]

23 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

All Bible doctrine is essential but not for the same things, i.e. it's essential to believe in Christ's atonement for sin to receive salvation, but it's not essential to believe in OSAS to receive salvation.

Blessings!

This statement is an inconsistency to the unity of God's Word  as there is only one doctrine and it is seen as

James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
KJV

Job 11:4
4 For you say, 'My doctrine is pure,
and I am clean in God's eyes.'
ESV

Final Instructions and Greetings
Romans 16:17
17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. ESV
Ephesians 4:14
14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. ESV

Warning Against False Teachers
1 Timothy 1:3
3  As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, ESV
1 Timothy 1:10
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, ESV

A Good Servant of Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 4:6
6  If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed. ESV
1 Timothy 6:3
3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, ESV
Titus 1:9
9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
ESV
Titus 2:1
Teach Sound Doctrine
2 But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine. ESV
Titus 2:10
10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.
ESV
Hebrews 6:1
6 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, ESV
Love, Steven

[Your closest friendnt]

On 4 September, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Word-Sword said:

 

My intention was to help others realize not only the reason for all Scripture (love one another thereby loving God 1John 4:20) but to take a closer look at it and discern what Scriptures are used for what reason. Plus this might help reduce the problem of being too dogmatic to aid in being more pragmatic (practical in sense and action).

Blessings!

 

Thank you for posting, I enjoy your thoughts, and hope that many will be bless, and you made a good point to study the the specific reason why the scripture was written.

It is not healthy to quote scriptures out of contex, it may lead to a strange place .

We need more post like that.

Blessings

[GoldenEagle]

On September 2, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Word-Sword said:

It has been well said that “there should be unity in all things essential, liberality in all things nonessential, and charity in all things!” The first is everyone believing the same doctrine concerning the receiving of faith (salvation). The second is respectfully allowing the variance of understanding of beliefs between one another. The third is always exercising love to one another within the first two conditions.

 

Essential doctrines (ED) are those which Scripture teaches concerning the requirements of receiving salvation; nonessential doctrines (ND) are teachings that are not related to receiving salvation but to increasing the strength of faith in salvation, i.e. spiritual growth in our understanding of Scripture (an unceasing progression).

 

An example of ED which I believe to be most inclusive is Romans 10:9; “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

 

An example of ND is the issue concerning teachings that relate to the permanency or temporality of one’s salvation, e.g. what one believes concerning either conclusion has no relation to that of receiving salvation but rather that of growing in the faith of salvation.

 

Looking at the ED of Romans 10:9, I believe the phrase “confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Lord” means to admit in your communication (signing for the impaired) that He is the Savior (Christ - sole source of redemption -1John 2:22). “Believe in your heart” to me means to always accept as true. “That God has raised Him from the dead” is a twofold conclusion in that believing in His resurrection presumes the ED concerning His incarnation (1John 4:3; 2John 1:7).

 

In my opinion, those who communicate with respect and kindness are the only ones who will increase their understanding (regardless of their knowledge of Scripture) in the Word of God because it shows their intentions are not out of opposition to one another, but to learn “the Word of truth.” My reason for sharing this article is not only for attempting to be instructional but more importantly so that we will remember the primary reason for learning God’s truths, to “come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ” (Eph 4:13 NLT), which sole standard is love to one another (John 15:12). The more we prioritize love to others as our motive in everything, the greater will be our practical love for God, regardless of the zeal for love to Him (1John 4:20).

 

 

For Christ’s Sake (Rom 15:30; 1Co 4:10; 2Co 12:10; Eph 4:32)

 

This is a good post and reminder!  

I think too there should be a distinction to what is clear Biblical truth, personal convictions, and opinions. 

Biblical truth: Christ is the son of God and paid the price for our sins at the cross.

Personal conviction: I don't believe tithing applies to Christians today. Giving generously as God leads? Absolutely!

Opinion: I don't believe there will be a rapture of Believers before Jesus's 2nd return. 

What do you think?

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

On September 4, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Out of the Shadows said:

Thank you for your post.  I was actually thinking a lot about this topic lately.  We often hear the phrase "not a salvation issue" in place of "essential" meaning that it is not something that would affect one's salvation.  

But then I started to wonder a bit more.  There is at least one person on this forum, maybe more, that feel it is a sin for women to wear pants.  If this view is right then the wearing of pants (or not wearing them to be exact) would become an essential since committing the same sin day in and day out would negatively affect one's salvation 

Or perhaps it's just a personal conviction or opinion that is being treated as Biblical truth? 

God bless,

GE

[WordSword]

Due to many misunderstanding the title of my article I found it necessary to post an attempt to explain it (which to me bears repeating where I have already mention this). All doctrine is essential, but not all doctrine concerns the same issue, i.e. to receive salvation it is required (essential doctrine) that one believe in Christ’s expiation for our sin, but believing or not believing in, let’s say OSAS or God’s omniscience concerning all things, is not required (nonessential doctrine) to receive salvation.

I think differentiating between these two issues (being saved and growing in the strength of faith) will aid us more in how we share our beliefs.

God Bless Us