another lone wolf terrorist attack in us

[kwikphilly]

Which position is that Other one? Attack dog or "pester"?     LOL

[Running Gator]

35 minutes ago, other one said:

I thought you were applying for that job....   LoL

I am just a guy with an opinion that seems to differ from the masses.  

[other one]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Which position is that Other one? Attack dog or "pester"?     LOL

both it would seem. 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Yet every news report I have read has mentioned terrorism in connection with the stabbings.  It seems reality is no match for paranoid conspiracy theories. 

It is not a paranoid conspiracy theory to call terrorism what it is.    And the liberal media which is has a nonsexual love affair with ISIS, and every other Islamic terrorist group is NOT going to call terrorism, terrorism.  They never do until they have no choice.  Eventually, they will have no choice. 

But until then, they will continue to run interference for Islam and ISIS and try to paint this as a troubled soul who can't deal with reality because his mom weaned him too early or got picked last for dodge ball, or whatever they can find to blame his crime on.

[Guest Robert]

4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

It is not a paranoid conspiracy theory to call terrorism what it is.    And the liberal media which is has a nonsexual love affair with ISIS, and every other Islamic terrorist group is NOT going to call terrorism, terrorism.  They never do until they have no choice.  Eventually, they will have no choice. 

But until then, they will continue to run interference for Islam and ISIS and try to paint this as a troubled soul who can't deal with reality because his mom weaned him too early or got picked last for dodge ball, or whatever they can find to blame his crime on.

Agreed Shiloh: a paranoid conspiracy theory has very sketchy "evidence", with not much credibility and just the paranoid rantings of fringe elements to back up whatever claims they make. This does not fit that criteria at all: we are in a war for our very lives with a ruthless ideology that spawns mass-murderers who want to die martyrs  while destroying "the Great Satan". We have plenty of evidence of terrorism since 9/11 (if not before), and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that

The liberal media doesn't want to think that though: they believe that "they can't really mean that, they just want (insert insipid material or social goods here) and just don't know how to go about it". What they fail to realize is that for Islam, this isn't a means to an end as it is THE END for them; violence for them isn't to gain something, it is the end goal. They are seeking combat and death, not seeking things which they feel they need combat and death for.

As long as the media and liberals in general continue to make excuses for Islam, they will continue to coddle them and treat Islamic terrorists as "misunderstood children". But what has been behind this all along is that anyone who adheres closely to Islam's tenets and takes Islam and the Qur'an seriously is inevitably going to be following this route of terrorism. Muhammad was very clear in the later Medinan Suras of the Qur'an about killing all "infidels" (Christians and Jews), and lying (taqiyya) to deceive their enemies, and those Surah's abrogate (supercede) the earlier Meccan Suras.

[ayin jade]

16 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

 If one didn't know they were a completely unbiased and equal opportunity publication, one would be led to believe they have an agenda.

I hope you didnt really mean the new york times is unbiased. They have a large bias and have been known to falsify articles. 

[RustyAngeL]

3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Wow, desperation has arrived and it has a name.  Only complete desperation and surrender could compare a lone guy stabbing people in a mall with the multi-year planned event that took coordination between multiple terrorist networks and the power of a single unifying power to bring it all about.

This is what happens when people have no answer for the truth, and it is not pretty! 

I have to disagree.  It was terrorism and there are three thousand dead Americans to prove that.

[Guest Robert]

23 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

There is another component to the Liberal coddling of Islam that many people do not understand.  To it's very core, Liberal dogma detests God and Christianity.  They despise faith when that faith is based on fixed moral values and personal responsibility.  This is why they will openly embrace hateful and vitriolic groups like Third Wave feminists, the LBGT movement, Black Lives Matter and Islam.  Islam is openly and vehemently opposed to homosexuality and women's rights, and yet, the Left protects them and at every turn when these conflicts are pointed out, they make excuses to explain them away.  Third Wave feminists have gone so far as to say that mass rapes by Islamic refugees in Europe is somehow the fault of Western white males.  When it comes to Islam, the Left embraces it for two reasons.  They view it as an oppressed Special Victims Group, so it enjoys Liberal protection.  Secondly, Islam hates Christianity as much as Liberals do, so Liberals view Islam through the myopic lens of "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

Actually, we have the entirety of Islamic history to examine when it comes to the pattern of their behavior.  Since 632 AD they have always operated in the same way.  The majority of that time, they have tried to propagate their system through violence and terrorism.  This pattern is ignored by The West because it is both inconvenient, and unpalatable to them.  Facts are something that need to be obfuscated, not embraced.

You raise some excellent points here; the liberals do tend to practice "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" line of reasoning, as well as despise the kind of Biblical faith that requires personal responsibility and a fixed moral basis. We see that now practically everywhere one can go in this country, and it's going to get worse as more "deference" is given by the Left to Islam.

I can also see that once they gain a majority and no longer need them, Islam will turn viciously on the Left.

Edited September 19, 2016 by RobertS

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

And you will only see that grow worse over time.  Because the Progressive movement has gained so much traction in the last decade, it no longer views Christianity and Conservative values as a mild irritant, they view these things as hindering obstacles that must be removed, by force if necessary, on the path to a socialist Utopia.  The march to a visualized Utopia always follows this same path.  Shut people up who oppose you.   I've had this happen in my own personal life.  I am friends with absolutely none of my family anymore except my children.  Every single one of my cousins, and my sister unfriended me on Facebook, and refuse to have anything to do with me because I steadfastly refuse to accept homosexuality as a normative lifestyle and I refuse to accept that Islam is a religion of peace.  I have lost long-time friends over these issues as well.  People with Liberal views don't like dealing with people that disagree with them so they have to either abandon them or find a way to shut them up.

[Guest shiloh357]

Our cultural mindset, for some reason, cannot (generally speaking) accept that people can hate you enough to kill you based on ideology.   Americans simply cannot process that.

Even when our enemy tells us that they hate us, and that they hate us because we are not Muslim and that we are infidels and should either convert or die, we refuse to believe them at all.

Our cultural mindset can accept that we can be hated enough to be killed if we can make the case that the attacker was abused as a child, if we can find some problem in his past and blame everything about his worldview on that problem, and it just made him go crazy.   That is the only way some Americans, particularly liberal Americans can make sense their mind of why Islamic scumbags attack us. 

They completely separate the attacker from his stated worldview in most cases and refuse to call it terrorism.  Terrorism creates a moral reality that they don't want to face.   If we call it terrorism, then Islam is a problem and in liberal thinking, all religions and cultures are equal.

One of the biggest problems with our immigration system is that we don't require people to assimilate and become Americans.  They don't have change their religion, but America has a language and a culture and a way of life and if you immigrate to our country and want to be a citizen, then you need to be an American.   If you're just coming here for the perks and accoutrements of American citizenship, but really have no love for the country, you should not be allowed to immigrate.   

We are a sovereign nation.  Immigration into the US is a privilege, not a right that we owe anyone.  We used to only allow those who would benefit nation to immigrate. Now, we let in any and all of the dregs of the world and we don't even require citizenship for them to vote or have a drivers license. 

Trump is right; we need to halt all Muslim immigration into this country until we can arrive at a good vetting system that allows us figure out who is or is not a terrorist threat.