another lone wolf terrorist attack in us

[Guest shiloh357]

9 minutes ago, RobertS said:

*Robert goes and gets some hot fudge sundaes*

Sorry bro: that made me hungry

Get me one too.  I need one with 800 gigs of hard drive space and 15 gigs of SDRAM. 

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14 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

  So you think that if a site reports that the man had yelled allahu akbar or demonstrated any connection to Islam, that it's a conservative site and they just toss around the same wrong story?    There are witnesses on camera that support those claims.

Let me know when you can come up with an intelligent, credible claim.

No, I do not think they are far right sites because they have the story, I believe they have the story because they are biased, far right sources that are not reliable places of information. And yes, these sites are famous for all running the same story from the same source, you don't really think they have any of their own sources do you?  Then what happens is that people see the same story on multiple sites and just assume because they saw it on multiple sites it must be true, your believing of the allahu akbar story being a good case in point.

But, since you say there are witnesses on camera, feel free to show me that I am wrong, it should be very easy to do.

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8 hours ago, Davida said:

What are your motives.... GOD knows  as HE watches and records the thoughts and deepest secrets within the hearts of men.

My motives:

John 8:32 

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

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30 minutes ago, Davida said:

Well , that post is about Jesus being the Truth & setting us free from our sin. 

There is nothing in your posts in this thread that represents the truth of the situation, but vigorous attempts to obscure the obvious facts, so your comment puzzles me. You would have people believe that Muslims carrying out acts of terrorism are not following the doctrines of Islam but are mentally ill- that is the load of...garbage that Obama has been trying to push.   

The truth can set you free from more than just your sins.  The truth sets you free from benightedness as well.  

Yes, I do think this individual is mentally ill, I believe that is the truth of the event.  ISIS does not care if you are Muslim, they have killed more Muslims than everyone else put together, so why would an ISIS member stop and ask people if they were Muslim?   Making this guy out to be some solider of ISIS does more to encourage terrorism than it does to stop it.  That is the TRUTH of the matter. 

 

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1 minute ago, Davida said:

ISIS does not view those muslims as Muslims - they are heretics.  Afterall, Islam means submission and those who Isis believes are heretics are killed same as non-believers.   

Raymond Ibrahim: “But ISIS Kills More Muslims Than Non-Muslims!”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/raymond-ibrahim-but-isis-kills-more-muslims-than-non-muslims

......."Yet this argument is flawed on several levels.  First, the Islamic State does not view its victims as Muslims.  Indeed, mainstream Sunni Islam—the world’s dominant strand of Islam which ISIS adheres to—views all non-Sunnis as false Muslims; at best, they are heretics who need to submit to the “true Islam.”

This is largely how Sunnis view Shias and vice versa—hence their perennial war.  While Western talking heads tend to lump them together as “Muslims”—thus reaching the erroneous conclusion that ISIS is un-Islamic because it kills “fellow Muslims”—each group views the other as enemies.  (It’s only in recent times, as both groups plot against the West and Israel, that they occasionally cooperate.)

Overall, then, when Sunni jihadis slaughter Shias—or Sufis, Druze, and Baha’i, lesser groups affiliated with Islam to varying degrees—they do so under the same exact logic as when they slaughter Christian minorities, or European, American, and Israeli citizens: all areinfidels who must either embrace the true faith, be subjugated, or die.

In fact, that ISIS kills other “Muslims” only further validates the supremacist and intolerant aspects of Sunnism, which is hardly limited to ISIS.  Just look to our good “friend and ally,” Saudi Arabia, the official religion of which is Sunni Islam, and witness the subhuman treatment Shia minorities experience.

But what about those Sunnis killed during the Islamic State’s jihad? These are rationalized away as “martyrs”—collateral damage—destined to enter Islam’s paradise… Keep reading"

None of this changes anything I said, it only further validates it.  ISIS is not asking people "are you Muslim" before attacking them, but this guy did.   He didnt ask them if they were Suni or Shia or whatever.  Why would a "solider of ISIS" ask people if they were Muslim before attacking them when that is not what ISIS teaches?

But, I do thank you for providing support for my position, that was very nice of you.

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31 minutes ago, Davida said:

That is totally wrong.

No, it is not wrong, if you understood anything about terrorism you would know this.  Despite what our esteemed fellow forum member might say, the goal of terrorist is not to kill us all.  Their goal is to change us, to make us more like them.   The victory of 9/11 was not the 2700 plus deaths, it was the freedoms and liberties we gave up as a result of the attack.  The 5 trillion dollars spent on wars that have made us less safe than before 9/11.   The true signs of victory for the terrorist after 9/11 was the Patriot Act, the NSA spying on its own citizens, on the Executive branch given the power to ignore the fundamental right of Habeas corpus and the right to detain indefinitely anyone they choose to call a "enemy combatant", be them a citizen or not.  

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3 minutes ago, Davida said:

Your comments make no sense whatsoever. Other people can see the facts regardless of your attempts to constantly try to cloud and obscure them. 

It is a simple question, why can you not answer it.

Why would a "solider of ISIS" ask people if they were Muslim before attacking them when that is not what ISIS teaches?

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2 minutes ago, Davida said:

Islam islam islam

Thank you for that wise and deep insight.  

Islam in the new red menace, what the power that be use to control the masses.  There always has to be an enemy to keep people in a state of fear, much eraser to control that way. 

Edited September 19, 2016 by Out of the Shadows

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18 minutes ago, Davida said:

You show every time you post what directs you.  

I am not the one running around freaking out about the latest boogeyman.  I am directed by the truth, many people cannot handle the truth.  The truth can harsh and unforgiving, yet essential.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Out of the Shadows

[Ezra]

21 hours ago, ayin jade said:

There was a call to conduct multiple lone wolf attacks. He shouts allah something before attacking random strangers in a mall. As other lone wolf attackers have done. The point is to terrorize folks in the us with these lone wolf attacks. done in the name of islam. By not labeling it terrorism, it provides a false sense of security among the us. 

We should get rid of the idea that these are "lone wolf" attacks in that they are random and not orchestrated by an underlying group effort.  

There is reason to believe that these terrorists all belong to a group which has established itself in multiple locations in the USA and has orchestrated these attacks to coincide with end of their latest Eid festival.  Not only that but the Obama administration and the CIA are complicit in allowing these men to enter the USA even after knowing who they are.

And yes, we must automatically label them as terrorist attacks by Radical Islamic Jihadists when they shout "Allahu Akbar".  It looks like naive left-liberalism wants to avoid calling a spade a spade at any cost.  Especially at the cost of innocent lives.