SavedOnebyGrace Posted December 14, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,056 Content Per Day: 15.02 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 16 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Saved... I`m a Christian believer, (Apostolic in beliefs). Yes we both agree that God breathed life into mankind. Great. The `blood` part is that the life is carried through the blood. It is not the blood as red & white cells etc God showed us that the blood carries the life & that is someone kills another & then the blood is spilt, that person is accountable for that. `Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning;....` (Gen. 9: 5) Marilyn. So, you're not against blood transfusions, the medical profession in general, organ transplants, etc., right? The Roman Catholics believe they are apostolic in their beliefs too! Personally, I am Christian in my beliefs. The apostles interpreted what Jesus taught them, by the power of the Holy Spirit sent from the Father. You are Trinitarian, aren't you? Do you belong to a denomination? As far as "the 'blood' part", oxygen is carried by the blood. God designed us that way. We are getting way off track of the subject matter of this thread. If you insist on talking about blood in the way you're doing, I suggest we move our discussion to the thread I started on cults and I'd be happy to continue this discussion there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 14, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,200 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: So, you're not against blood transfusions, the medical profession in general, organ transplants, etc., right? The Roman Catholics believe they are apostolic in their beliefs too! Personally, I am Christian in my beliefs. The apostles interpreted what Jesus taught them, by the power of the Holy Spirit sent from the Father. You are Trinitarian, aren't you? Do you belong to a denomination? As far as "the 'blood' part", oxygen is carried by the blood. God designed us that way. We are getting way off track of the subject matter of this thread. If you insist on talking about blood in the way you're doing, I suggest we move our discussion to the thread I started on cults and I'd be happy to continue this discussion there. Hi saved... I belong....to Jesus. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delade3 Posted March 25, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 78 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) On 9/19/2016 at 4:42 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said: This is a passage of scripture I've been interested in since I first became a born-again believer. I stumbled on the website linked below while searching about something else. The questions at the end of the topic answered by the author John Tors with the signature "Saved.by.Grace" are mine. I found John Tors' article and website most interesting, although he hasn't convinced me that the Nephilim were not the result of a fallen angelic attempt at contaminating the bloodline of the future Messiah. There are four sections of analysis. The first section linked below can be used to link to the other three sections. Truth in My Days: Genesis 6:1-4 Discussion I believe a proper understanding of Scripture is essential to knowing God's will and purpose. We must understand the Bible in context, and not make it conform to our preconceived ideas. Here might be the Nephilim people refer to: Son(s) : 1121. ben afflicted (1), afflicted* (1), age (7), aliens* (2), Ammonites* (7), anointed* (1), arrow (1), arrows (1), Assyrians* (3), baby (1), Babylonians* (3), beasts (1), being* (1), Ben-hinnom* (7), bough (2), breed (1), brothers* (1), builders.................................. -of- God: 430. elohim rulers, judges, either as divine representatives at sacred places or as reflecting divine majesty and power: The afflicted aged men of the rulers/judges.... Genesis 6:2 "...that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.: http://biblehub.com/nasec/hebrew/1121.htm http://biblehub.com/bdb/430.htm daughters of --- 'MEN' : 120 : adam : another, hypocrite, common sort, low, man mean, of low degree, person http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/120.htm Man only became available for marriage AFTER Adam was driven from the Garden of Eden and only after mankind become populated. 'Sons' could also refer to people of other surrounding territories who came in and took the women for themselves to wife. It's the same story when ever a new people find and enter into new lands.. There are often times: rape and pillaging... and often times a new mix of ethnicities in the children.. And now both you and I see how a little Truth dispells so much lies. The 'Sons of God' could be aged men who were kicked out of their territories, found their way into the lands of the daughters of another people and took them as wives... perhaps even by force. We can see that happening even in our modern day with the so called 'Migrants' and Illegal immigrants. Edited March 25, 2017 by delade3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,056 Content Per Day: 15.02 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/25/2017 at 1:32 AM, delade3 said: Here might be the Nephilim people refer to: Son(s) : 1121. ben afflicted (1), afflicted* (1), age (7), aliens* (2), Ammonites* (7), anointed* (1), arrow (1), arrows (1), Assyrians* (3), baby (1), Babylonians* (3), beasts (1), being* (1), Ben-hinnom* (7), bough (2), breed (1), brothers* (1), builders.................................. -of- God: 430. elohim rulers, judges, either as divine representatives at sacred places or as reflecting divine majesty and power: The afflicted aged men of the rulers/judges.... Genesis 6:2 "...that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.: http://biblehub.com/nasec/hebrew/1121.htm http://biblehub.com/bdb/430.htm daughters of --- 'MEN' : 120 : adam : another, hypocrite, common sort, low, man mean, of low degree, person http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/120.htm Man only became available for marriage AFTER Adam was driven from the Garden of Eden and only after mankind become populated. 'Sons' could also refer to people of other surrounding territories who came in and took the women for themselves to wife. It's the same story when ever a new people find and enter into new lands.. There are often times: rape and pillaging... and often times a new mix of ethnicities in the children.. And now both you and I see how a little Truth dispells so much lies. The 'Sons of God' could be aged men who were kicked out of their territories, found their way into the lands of the daughters of another people and took them as wives... perhaps even by force. We can see that happening even in our modern day with the so called 'Migrants' and Illegal immigrants. You have not shed any light on the subject. Quote The Meaning Of Elohim In Hebrew Curious about the meaning of Elohim in Hebrew? It is a fascinating word to learn about. Translated into English, the word is "god" (capital or lowercase "g"), and oddly enough can refer to either Yahweh God, or to humans. After reading this article, you will have a clearer understanding of what Elohim means in Hebrew, and how that affects us as sons and daughters of the supreme Elohim. What Elohim Means The root word of "Elohim" is "El," and is used numerous times in the Scriptures to refer to Yahweh God. This root word is composed of two letters: Aleph (Hebrew א) and Lamed (Hebrew ל). The word "El" in Hebrew represents the idea of "one who is strong and has authority," or "a strong one with great authority." Anyone can arrive at this conclusion by studying the context of the passages in the Bible that use the word. What's also fascinating to know is the meaning behind the Hebrew letters of the word. The original Hebrew symbol for the letter aleph is a symbol of an ox head. Logically, it represents strength, force, power. The original Hebrew symbol for the letter Lamed looks like a J, and is a symbol of the shepherd's staff. The staff represents the shepherd of a flock, who has authority over the sheep who are entrusted to him. So, together, aleph and lamed come together to form the idea of "strong authority" or "a strong one who has authority." Neat symbolism, isn't it? English (Roman) letters carry no significance today, but in ancient Biblical times, each Hebrew letter/icon conveyed a special meaning. So we get get a better grasp of ancient Hebrew words by studying the letters that compose the root words. From the root word "El" comes the word "Eloha" (translated into English as "god"), and the plural form "Elohim" (translated into English as God or gods). Yahweh is Elohim There are plenty of places in the Scriptures where Yahweh is referred to as "Elohim," but why is the plural form used? There are several ideas that seek to answer that question. One perspective says that using the plural form better represents the threefold nature of Yahweh: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Another perspective says that using the plural form represents a higher form of strength, implying that God is the "strongest one with the most authority." Both ideas make sense to me personally, because God is a triune entity, and he is more powerful than any other being that has power. Humans are Elohim I was completely blown away when I discovered that humans are sometimes referred to as "elohim" in the Scriptures. Take Psalm 82:6 as an example: "I said, 'You are gods [elohim], all of you are sons of the Most High.'" "How could a human have the same title as the Almighty?" I initially thought. But the reason I didn't understand is that I didn't know what "Elohim" actually means in Hebrew. Plus, I thought that Elohim was God's personal name, but it isn't. It is actually one of his titles or descriptors. After discovering that God's individual name is actually "Yahweh," and that anyone who has strength and is in a position of authority can be called an "Eloha," it all made sense. Conclusion To wrap it all up, we've discovered that the meaning of Elohim in Hebrew is "one who is strong and has authority," and that the word is sometimes used to refer to God, and other times it refers to humans. How will this knowledge affect the way you live your life? Does it encourage you to know that are a strong one who has authority? How can you use this God-given power and authority to bless God and build his kingdom? Source: Meaning of Elohim in Hebrew One can make the Bible say almost anything by plucking definitions from a Strong's Concordance or an Amplified Bible. Your "argument" is based on conjecture, in other words, you've built your "castle of understanding" on sand. This is an attempt to sidetrack those of us who accept a literal meaning of the Biblical text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted October 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.44 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Quote Genesis 6:1-4; The Sons of God ... Certainly they aren't angels: Heb 1:5 -> "For to which of the angels did He say at any time, "You are My Son, this day I have begotten You?" And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Leonardo Von said: Certainly they aren't angels: Heb 1:5 -> "For to which of the angels did He say at any time, "You are My Son, this day I have begotten You?" And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?". he's speaking of a begotten son, not a created one as angels are.... when we are born again spiritually we become sons also. but Jesus is the only begotten one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 8:32 AM, Leonardo Von said: Certainly they aren't angels: Heb 1:5 -> "For to which of the angels did He say at any time, "You are My Son, this day I have begotten You?" And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?". Hebrews 1:5 has nothing to do with Genesis 6:1-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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