Forums inside the 70th week

[1x1is1]

The folks that come to Christ during the 70th week will probably have a difficult time keeping a Christian Forum up and running.  They will be hunted down, so using a Forum would assist in locating them and single them out.  It would most likely be an underground method of communicating with other Believers.

[Heb 13:8]

4 hours ago, 1x1is1 said:

The folks that come to Christ during the 70th week will probably have a difficult time keeping a Christian Forum up and running.  They will be hunted down, so using a Forum would assist in locating them and single them out.  It would most likely be an underground method of communicating with other Believers.

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Psa 90:10 NIV Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Micah 5:2-3 NIV "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." 3Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

Matt 24:32-35 NIV “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Luke 21:10-11 NIV Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

Rev 12:1-5 NIV A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.   2  She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.   3  Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.   4  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born.   5  She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up to God and to his throne.

 

[Guest Robert]

On 11/17/2016 at 3:17 AM, brakelite said:

Would a pre-trib believer recognize the tribulation if it turns out to be a post-trib event?

Um...let me see if I can get this straight: there's a tribulation after the Tribulation? Is that like the Great Tribulation after the Tribulation or something? I know some consider the Tribulation to be broken up into two parts like that. Or do you mean that after the time of the Tribulation there's yet another Tribulation?

[brakelite]

8 hours ago, Robert said:

Um...let me see if I can get this straight: there's a tribulation after the Tribulation? Is that like the Great Tribulation after the Tribulation or something? I know some consider the Tribulation to be broken up into two parts like that. Or do you mean that after the time of the Tribulation there's yet another Tribulation?

Actually, if you look back into history, you may understand, if your eyes are open, that there has already been a tribulation, that lasted for 1000 years....that is why it was called the dark ages. If you were a Christian in those days, either you surrendered to the Pope, or you died. Simple as that. But many today don't see that as a tribulation. That some sources say approximately 100 million people suffered and died because of the Christian scruples doesn't seem to make a connection with many. But that is another story.

There is to come one more tribulation, a global version of the European one I spoke of above. The reason I asked if those expecting a pre-trib rapture would recognize the tribulation if it came about that the rapture was post-trib, was that the vast majority of Christians today have little idea of how the tribulation will take effect. It is not going to meet the expectations of most Christians therefore many will not even recognize it when it happens.

Like I said in my former post. If the tribulation to come was not a middle east war between Israel and all-comers, (which theory I do not go along with), and turned out as I believe to be a war between a small remnant group of true Christian believers and a global apostate union of church and state, just as it was in a localized form during the dark ages, I would suggest that because the vast majority of todays Christians will align themselves with the apostate power, the tribulation as such will only be truly experienced by the remnant. Only they will be aware of what is actually going on, the rest will be in darkness, believing they are doing God's will by destroying the faithful. In fact, I will add even more. As the various bowls of God's wrath are poured out upon the world it will be that small remnant who will be accused of incurring God's wrath because of their stubborn refusal to join and worship with the majority in accordance to the decrees laid out through the deceptions of Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots.

So many, and I dare to suggest you included, believe the Antichrist to be a vile evil dictator who is atheist, anti everything Godly, especially the Christian church, and will be readily recognized. I put it to you that that is far from the truth. The Antichrist is already here, and has been since the time of the early church. And far from being an evil entity forcing everybody to do evil, it is an apostate Christian entity forcing the world to be 'Christian' after its own image. Think about that carefully and read again Revelation 13.

[Guest Robert]

3 hours ago, brakelite said:

Actually, if you look back into history, you may understand, if your eyes are open, that there has already been a tribulation, that lasted for 1000 years....that is why it was called the dark ages. If you were a Christian in those days, either you surrendered to the Pope, or you died. Simple as that. But many today don't see that as a tribulation. That some sources say approximately 100 million people suffered and died because of the Christian scruples doesn't seem to make a connection with many. But that is another story.

There is to come one more tribulation, a global version of the European one I spoke of above. The reason I asked if those expecting a pre-trib rapture would recognize the tribulation if it came about that the rapture was post-trib, was that the vast majority of Christians today have little idea of how the tribulation will take effect. It is not going to meet the expectations of most Christians therefore many will not even recognize it when it happens.

Like I said in my former post. If the tribulation to come was not a middle east war between Israel and all-comers, (which theory I do not go along with), and turned out as I believe to be a war between a small remnant group of true Christian believers and a global apostate union of church and state, just as it was in a localized form during the dark ages, I would suggest that because the vast majority of todays Christians will align themselves with the apostate power, the tribulation as such will only be truly experienced by the remnant. Only they will be aware of what is actually going on, the rest will be in darkness, believing they are doing God's will by destroying the faithful. In fact, I will add even more. As the various bowls of God's wrath are poured out upon the world it will be that small remnant who will be accused of incurring God's wrath because of their stubborn refusal to join and worship with the majority in accordance to the decrees laid out through the deceptions of Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots.

So many, and I dare to suggest you included, believe the Antichrist to be a vile evil dictator who is atheist, anti everything Godly, especially the Christian church, and will be readily recognized. I put it to you that that is far from the truth. The Antichrist is already here, and has been since the time of the early church. And far from being an evil entity forcing everybody to do evil, it is an apostate Christian entity forcing the world to be 'Christian' after its own image. Think about that carefully and read again Revelation 13.

You know, I've dealt with a lot  of people like you who think if someone just "reads Scripture one more time", they will have no choice but to agree with you. Like we're all stupid or something and without your counsel, we could not walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. I hate to burst your bubble, but we're not morons here.

Yes, I believe the AC to be a man and a vile dictator because that's what Scripture says about him: I have read Rev, 13 (and have written an entire study on the tribulation; SURPRISE!!!), and I have also read Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the minor prophets as well. The Antichrist is described as the "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3), " a despicable person" (Daniel 11:21), " ‘He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One" Daniel 7:25), "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), " the prince that shall come" (Daniel 9:26) and " a destroyer of nations" (Jeremiah 4:7).

NONE of that sounds like a mere "apostate Christian entity", but a man selected by Satan to sit as regent on the world.

What you are subscribing to is a "historicist" view of the Tribulation, and it fails on many levels: for one thing, it  has to spiritualize away the end times and other events in order to deny the literal nature of Bible prophecy. An example is the dark ages: man was largely responsible for the pain and suffering inflicted then, under the prodding of Satan. The Tribulation, from the First seal broken to the last bowl dumped, is God's war alone. It is His time of judgment on mankind, as evidenced in Revelation 6 :

"I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” (Revelation 6:13-17, NASB, emphasis mine)

Another is the fact that the  Dark Ages don't match up with how Scripture describes the tribulation. Yes, the Dark Ages were bad. But WWI and WWII took far more lives and reduced entire countries to rubble. And Adolf Hitler was far and away a better candidate for the Antichrist, yet even he was not the one.

Yet another is it ignores the prophecy that Israel would literally be restored as a nation before the end times (Amos 9:14-15, Ezekiel 37:10-14, Isaiah 66:7-8, Jeremiah 16:14-15). Instead, it transfers such prophecies to the Church (Replacement Theology). This is a proponent of SDA teaching.

As evidenced in your reply, you seem to take a preterist view of the Olivet Discourse, but then disconnect it from the Tribulation as found in Revelation and many of the NT books. That seems more than just a little disconcerted to me, and majorly disjointed.

 

But what concerns me even more are your replies in several topics: historicist nature of the Tribulation, your views on eating meat, the insistence of the observation of the Sabbath on Saturday (dead giveaway right there), the observation of Levitical law on foods (lawkeeping), etc. These would indicate indicate Seventh-Day Adventist belief, and that means the so-called "prophet" Ellen G. White. If that is the case, then I'm afraid that any "currency" you had here in the conversations on Worthy is pretty much worthless, seeing as SDA is a cult and quite a bit of what they teach is twisted and outright unbiblical.

In any event: I am through trying to debate this with you. Any attempt to discuss this with you only results in replies being twisted out of shape and the discussion going around in tight circles, while you promote your theories. In that vein, you may reply as much as you wish, but I will no longer be reading your replies nor anything else you are posting, now or ever.  And whether you care or not is immaterial, but error and mangling Scripture is,  and I will not abide it. I will continue to post in this topic, but you are now on ignore.

Goodbye.

 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2016 by Robert

[Rare Bird]

6 hours ago, Robert said:

As evidenced in your reply, you seem to take a preterist view of the Olivet Discourse, but then disconnect it from the Tribulation as found in Revelation and many of the NT books. That seems more than just a little disconcerted to me, and majorly disjointed.

But what concerns me even more are your replies in several topics: historicist nature of the Tribulation, your views on eating meat, the insistence of the observation of the Sabbath on Saturday (dead giveaway right there), the observation of Levitical law on foods (lawkeeping), etc. These would indicate indicate Seventh-Day Adventist belief, and that means the so-called "prophet" Ellen G. White. If that is the case, then I'm afraid that any "currency" you had here in the conversations on Worthy is pretty much worthless, seeing as SDA is a cult and quite a bit of what they teach is twisted and outright unbiblical.

In any event: I am through trying to debate this with you. Any attempt to discuss this with you only results in replies being twisted out of shape and the discussion going around in tight circles, while you promote your theories. In that vein, you may reply as much as you wish, but I will no longer be reading your replies nor anything else you are posting, now or ever.  And whether you care or not is immaterial, but error and mangling Scripture is,  and I will not abide it. I will continue to post in this topic, but you are now on ignore.

Goodbye.

 

 

 

As I have discovered elsewhere on this board.

Where is the "face palm" emoticon when you need one?

Respectfully,

"The Rapturist"

P.S. Coming from the database marketing industry, weeding out Christians who hold/held firm in the faith, is already an easy thing to do, and why we have things like Facebook (and those silly questionaires to find out what kind of animal you would be..), Disqus, Twitter, et al. in addition to the huge push for government-run healthcare (another database known as the EMR) that are all connected. Buzz words surrounding this idealogy include "The Internet of Things" or "Big Data". It's all being dumped into a SUPER database that can be segmented and used to identify unbelievable detail on a person, their relationships and affiliations. Scary, scary stuff, but this is an example of the spirit of the AC already at work (e.g., translation: INSTEAD of Christ) and what may (keyword "may") very well be the IMAGE of the first beast (Rev 13:14-15 and noted elsewhere in Rev 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20). Just something I've pondered.

 

[Heb 13:8]

On 11/20/2016 at 4:28 PM, Robert said:

Um...let me see if I can get this straight: there's a tribulation after the Tribulation? Is that like the Great Tribulation after the Tribulation or something? I know some consider the Tribulation to be broken up into two parts like that. Or do you mean that after the time of the Tribulation there's yet another Tribulation?

No, the last seven years are called the 70th week, and the great tribulation begins in the middle of the 70th week and is cut short.

[Guest Robert]

7 hours ago, Rare Bird said:

As I have discovered elsewhere on this board.

Where is the "face palm" emoticon when you need one?

Respectfully,

"The Rapturist"

P.S. Coming from the database marketing industry, weeding out Christians who hold/held firm in the faith, is already an easy thing to do, and why we have things like Facebook (and those silly questionaires to find out what kind of animal you would be..), Disqus, Twitter, et al. in addition to the huge push for government-run healthcare (another database known as the EMR) that are all connected. Buzz words surrounding this idealogy include "The Internet of Things" or "Big Data". It's all being dumped into a SUPER database that can be segmented and used to identify unbelievable detail on a person, their relationships and affiliations. Scary, scary stuff, but this is an example of the spirit of the AC already at work (e.g., translation: INSTEAD of Christ) and what may (keyword "may") very well be the IMAGE of the first beast (Rev 13:14-15 and noted elsewhere in Rev 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20). Just something I've pondered.

 

I've wondered about the facepalm smiley myself :lol: