Homosexuality...

[Keith]

It does not clearly state that it is not allowed

It really isn't about what's "allowed" and "not allowed". Thank God we don't live by rigid rules and in fear. (And I don't blaspheme, that is a sincere thanks.) It's about what God says is wrong - and He says it's wrong because it is bad for us. Like a loving Father, He wants to keep us from what will harm us. And he uses strong language to warn us. Abomination, unnatural, perversion.

If one is a Christian, one has an inner desire to please their Father. They don't obey because it's "not allowed", or because they fear what will happen to them, that only brings about resentment. They obey because they sincerely want to please God and have put their own pride aside out of understanding that their Father knows what is best for them.

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Very well said, WIP! Especially what I emphasized in bold and underlined. Being a Christian is not about doing what you can "get away with". That's just attempting to justify our own desires and behaviors.

Humility is a key to living out our daily Christian walk with and before others and God. Our desire should be to please God and do what He would do, say what He would have us say and act as He would have us act. This also includes hating what He hates.

[Kitten]

Thank y'all for responding. I know homosexuals are just people like us who love differently. I am not a judgemental person however. I just think it is weird. I want very much to please my Father. I am a Christian and have been since '98...

[eric]

Hello Kitten and welcome to Worthy. You will find the majority of the members of this board will be delighted to help you with your christian walk in any way they can, whether publicly (here in the forums) of by PMs. so feel free.

in Him,

eric.

[eric]

To ask questions, that is.

eric.

[Guest Gothic Christian]

Hi before I post this I want to clarify that I studied Psychology and Socilogy A-Levels, I am graduating from the University of Nottingham (the best University in the UK for theology according to all the inspectors) with a B.A. Honours Theology degree this summer. I am also planning to start training in September 2006 to go into the ministry and get ordained as a priest in the Church of England.

The Christian Right believe homosexuality is an unquestionable sin and,

[eric]

A lot of quotes by a lot of supposedly learned writers, but not a word from any of God's selected authors. The science of psychology and sociology has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of homosexuality. It's what God says about it, that is our concern, not a bunch of lecturers with degrees. We on this board take our teachings from the bible as instructed by the Holy Spirit.

I'm not trying to be rude by raining on your parade, friend, but you will find that most people on this board like to stick to biblical facts.

cheers,

eric.

Edited April 9, 2005 by eric

[Gerioke]

A lot of quotes by a lot of supposedly learned writers, but not a word from any of God's selected authors. The science of psychology and sociology has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of homosexuality. It's what God says about it, that is our concern, not a bunch of lecturers with degrees. We on this board take our teachings from the bible as instructed by the Holy Spirit.

I'm not trying to be rude by raining on your parade, friend, but you will find that most people on this board like to stick to biblical facts.

cheers,

eric.

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[Fiosh]

Gothic Christian provides some interesting and valid information. Having same-sex desires is usually not a "choice" and we should have compassion on those who struggle with such urgings.

However, ACTING on those desires IS a choice...and a sin.

By nature I ,as a woman, am attracted to men. I am married.

Acting on those "perfectly natural" desires, with a man who is not my husband, is a sin. Plain and simple.

I recognize the heartache, trauma, brokeness and betrayal, that often is beneath the homosexuality.

I love the sinner, I hate the sin.

Heck I hate my own sin.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Gerioke]

Gothic Christian provides some interesting and valid information.  Having same-sex desires is usually not a "choice" and we should have compassion on those who struggle with such urgings.

However, ACTING on those desires IS a choice...and a sin.

By nature I ,as a woman, am attracted to men.  I am married.

Acting on those "perfectly natural" desires, with a man who is not my husband, is a sin. Plain and simple.

I recognize the heartache, trauma, brokeness and betrayal, that often is beneath the homosexuality.

I love the sinner, I hate the sin.

Heck I hate my own sin.

Peace,

Fiosh

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I agree 100 % love the sinner, hate the sin

[nebula]

Hey, Gothic -

There is much you do not understand.

Sin is a choice. Just because a person does not realize he or she is making a choice at the time, and just because "the big sin" at the end of a series of choices was not intended, does not make it "natural" nor even "justifiable."

One important element your paper fails to to present is the testimony of those people who have been delivered from homosexual behavior through prayer and counselling. For instance, I heard a testimony from a woman who had been a lesbian, who after becoming a Christian found from Scripture that homosexuality was wrong and hooked up with Exodus International to help her out of this lifestyle. Through prayer and counselling, she re-evaluated her own past and discovered for herself that throughout her life she had indeed made a series of choices that led her towards this "same sex attraction." As she repented of those choices - the things she had done in response to situations, she found herself more and more free from her attraction to females. Now, she is learning, and enjoying, what it is to simply be a woman and dress womanly and act womanly.

Your presentation also fails to acknowledge what the Bible actually says. Many Christians feel offended by a person who will call him or herself a "Christian" and yet challenge the words of Scripture - as if he or she was superior to the written Word. Many Christians especially feel offended that a proclaimed "Christian" would value the "wisdom" of psychology to the WISDOM of Scripture.

Who is your god, anyway? The Holy Lord of Hosts? Or have you made God to be in your own image and to your liking and following what you believe God to be and not Who He says He is?

No, there is much you do not understand.