Satanic Counterfeits Amongst the Church

[Heavenunlimited]

I tell you what, the satanists, the new age etc they specifically made the plan to spread a gospel without hell, without sin preaching, with prosperity teachings.  Its all planned. Its part of the great deception. For 60 years ago it wasnt that way. 

[Guest BacKaran]

Wb

So you are mad because I decided to just jump right on  the subject or because I won't do your homework for you?

Edited February 4, 2017 by BacKaran

[OneLight]

8 minutes ago, Fran C said:

Hi OneLight

Actually we're not supposed to judge the salvation of others, only their behavior.  Only God knows who is saved and who is not.

What if some atheist accept Jesus just before dying?  We'd have to be very precise in language and say that if one dies in a lost state THEN he is lost.  It's diffiuclt enough to discuss stuff between us, believers, let alone on some TV program where time is limited.  He made a mistake I think.  I didn't hear it myself.  We are to forgive to be forgiven.

He said there are many ways to Jesus.  Did Allen King ask him how?  I'll bet he didn't.  See what I mean... it's not the right program for speaking about "religion".

§Fran

I'll try to break it down for you.

We do not know the hearts of man, and if an atheist accepts Christ before dying, he no longer is an atheist, but a child of God, so that argument is moot.

Hindus believe there is one true God, but they call him Brahman.  They do not believe in Jesus, but God.  According to scripture, are they saved or not without Christ?

Islam believes in God, but not Jesus.  If they die in their beliefs, according to scripture, are they saved?

If someone who has been told about Jesus refuses Christ, but claims they believe in God, according to scripture, are they saved?

The only group of people whom I do believe will be judged according to their heart alone are those who never heard about God, never heard about Jesus, nor ever heard about the bible.  Nobody ever explained God to them.  They alone, according to Romans 2, will be judged according to their heart.

[Fran C]

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

Please link where I said there are no warnings.

Gosh Yowm, you know that's pretty difficult to do.

Now, I did say that the N.T. is FULL OF WARNINGS exhorting us, the believers to hold firm till the end, to persevere, to maintain our salavation.

YOU said that we cannot lose our salvation.

So...

IF you agree that there are warnings, THEN you must also agree that they are for a reason.  What could the reason be for these WARNINGS YOU SPEAK OF HERE, if not for the fact that we COULD lose our salvation??

Fran

[Fran C]

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

My recollection of the Didache was there was no message of the cross in it...the very basis by which we do do good works!

I don't understand what you mean...

We do good works because we are saved and justified because we believe and love our Lord and wish to please Him.

The message of the cross was not present back then.  Only that we were to believe that Jesus was born, died for us, and resurrected - (to be saved).

Fran

[Fran C]

4 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I'll try to break it down for you.

We do not know the hearts of man, and if an atheist accepts Christ before dying, he no longer is an atheist, but a child of God, so that argument is moot.

Hindus believe there is one true God, but they call him Brahman.  They do not believe in Jesus, but God.  According to scripture, are they saved or not without Christ?

Islam believes in God, but not Jesus.  If they die in their beliefs, according to scripture, are they saved?

If someone who has been told about Jesus refuses Christ, but claims they believe in God, according to scripture, are they saved?

The only group of people whom I do believe will be judged according to their heart alone are those who never heard about God, never heard about Jesus, nor ever heard about the bible.  Nobody ever explained God to them.  They alone, according to Romans 2, will be judged according to their heart.

AGREED!

You're speaking to Romans 2:19:20

Fran

[Guest BacKaran]

New age = positive confession movement.....

Sounds like a perfect religion for a liberal... Tell us all the good things and no one can point out Truth using negative language, it's insensitive you know...

Edited February 4, 2017 by BacKaran

[Fran C]

Great point, Giller --

Exactly what FALSE DOCTRINE is Joel teaching?

Is he teaching HYPER grace?

If he's not teaching a false doctrine, what's the problem anyway?

Fran

[OneLight]

3 minutes ago, Fran C said:

AGREED!

You're speaking to Romans 2:19:20

Fran

Nope, Romans 2:12-16

[Heavenunlimited]

Is it becoming about grace with faith only or just doings now? They both work together. Like James say you have faith without deeds ill show you faith with deeds. For dont you know o man that faith without do what He say is dead. Something like that. Sorry didnt write word by word. But its rhere. How do you explain that then? Isnt that clear you reciveve the faith but then, you gotta follow Him. Because. On that day, ..." I never knew you" ..  A man asked Jesus what to do to be saved. Firstl believe in Him. Then, love others like yourself. Follow the commandments. Thats THE LORD!!