Eve ate first

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Eve ate first.  Sin entered her life.  She no longer held that sinless position in the eyes of God.  Adam who was still in his perfect state would have known that Eve had fallen.

Eph writes...

Well one mistake already...What do you gather from the account in GEN that would lead you to draw such a conclusion QRR..?? What do you base this thoery on to say Adam would have known Eve had fallen..? Again QRR "asumptions" that we can make reading Gods word..shouldn't be then taken as FACTUAL...!

QRR asks..

Why would Adam eat of the tree when Eve offered?  His love for her was such as God had for us, and he thought he could sacrifice himself for her.  Not being God, he did not have such power as Christ did by laying down His glory for us.

Eph writes..

Hmm...Here would be a good place to ask what "bible" you use in study or read from..that allows you to make such statements..as IF their factual..!

QRR writes...

I believe this to be correct, but there are several flaws here.  Good luck - I'll check back later.

Eph replies...

IF you agree there are flaws in your post..why would you attest to this post being "correct"...??

RE-Check your bible..then return..would be my best advice !

[QuaestorRexRegis]

Eph, thank you for your challenge - I take it in the spirit of love that you intend

Eve had not fallen yet, and her response to the serpent is, "God has said, 'You shall not eat from it OR TOUCH IT, lest you die.'"

[traveller]

I have often thought of a different scenario altogether. Was  Adam maybe jealous? It is possible that Adam ate knowing full well the results. While Eve was deceived, maybe Adam's fall was intentional, calculating.

[QuaestorRexRegis]

That would indicate sin before he ate - I don't think so.

Adam did not disobey God before he ate of the tree.  Some have thought Eve did by lusting after the fruit, but the sin was to eat of the fruit of that tree.

If Adam had been present, he would have told Eve that she was not even to touch it - Adam was not some slug of a husband without sense - he had named all the animals and was on a personal relationship with the Almighty.

Eve was tricked, and Adam's bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh was in the throes of sin.  He was in the image of God and had His very nature of goodness - Adam wanted to rescue His wife, and the only holy way is for a sinless sacrifice.  Adam, not being God, could not fulfill the role as he had not yet attained (nor could he ever attain) to the position that the Son of God had.

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RCruise

So sin happened when they decided to eat the fruit not as they ate the fruit or after? I think this is your position in a nutshell Yes/No?

Well I cannot differ from this interpretation it seems correct to me.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[RCruise]

RCruise

So sin happened when they decided to eat the fruit not as they ate the fruit or after? I think this is your position in a nutshell Yes/No?

Well I cannot differ from this interpretation it seems correct to me.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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Yes, that is my and the Biblical position.

[munari]

I just read a great book called "First Comes Love" by Scott Hahn where he speaks on the Adam and Eve story. I encourage you all to read it. The first half or so isn't even really "Catholic", its a look at scripture without any reference to Catholic teaching. Its quite interesting and gave me a new view of Adam and Eve. Quickly, I'll sum up the best I can, but I encourage you all to read the book in case I didn't get something quite right.

Here's the first Chapter... follow this Barnes and Noble link:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksea....excerpt

I've changed my mind. I was going to sum up my understanding, but I'm afraid to screw it up...

[QuaestorRexRegis]

Final Test...

When did Adam sin?

When did Eve sin?

If you say they sinned upon eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then did they recognize good and evil at that time?

Were they at that point followers of evil - sons of the devil?

Were they at that point in need of a Savior to do good?

Were they liars?

Were they murderers?

Does it matter for their eternal security?

Did God know?

Did God believe Adam's response in Genesis 3:12?

Answer these questions with some sort of proof - don't embellish your response with printing out the entire verses or dictionary answers - we are all on the internet and can do the same.

You will be graded.

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RCruise

"Make sense?"

Yes it does.

Thank you for showing the light to me on this RCruise  

Bless you

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[RCruise]

The bible says that the eyes of THEM BOTH were opened (GEN 3:7).

It never said that Eves eyes were opened first then Adams later!

She ate and also gave some to Adam... It happened at the same time!

I stay with this!

As EPH wrote earlier...Read Gen 3:6-7...

Warrior:

I ask this lovingly:

Do you then disagree with Jesus that sin is conceived and therefore is sin in the heart before the physical act?

God Bless.