OneLight Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 41 minutes ago, Remnantrob said: I would say that even though Jesus had not come, many of the children of israel didn't understand what his ministry would be. But, I believe that some did. I think God left them enough evidence pointing to something greater than their law keeping but most of them got caught up in the traditions. What comes to mind is John 8:56 which says: If what Jesus said is true then those who were faithful like Abraham could have had an understanding of Christ and what his ministry would mean to them as a people. Of course this could be deem supposition on my part based on 1 text but we at least know that Abraham understood Christ ministry. And I'd venture to say so did Job. Job 19:25-27 Just sharing an observation. I agree that there were some who really knew God and His plan, but evidence in scripture points to the numbers was very small in comparison. My statement was that most lived according to the law and the Priests understanding of the law. To them, who Christ would be is not who Jesus was. They expected a King, not a lamb headed to a sacrifice, therefore, not fully understanding what true salvation was.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Jewels7 said: The Zachary person has been removed from this discussion. Maybe we can redeem this whole thing so that it arrives at a place wherein it reflects the teachings of Jesus. To that end I have come to add this scripture should that which wishes to sow discord among the church enter into this thread as it has others here. I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.(Romans 16:17-18) Conditional salvation isn't new to members of the church is it? Too bad. I wanted to hear from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,138 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,860 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Too bad. I wanted to hear from him. PM him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 15 hours ago, gdemoss said: Too bad. I wanted to hear from him. You can send him a private message and continue the discussion from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 Didnt he mean, after were saved by grace, to try not to sin(but The Lord will be there, if we do) just that we cant just pretend like nothing/sin by knowingly doing and not resist? I.e. Live in sin. Not to make an effort. Did he mean, where Jesus say, that only those that do my Fathers will have life? Then Jesus mentions the laws and to love others like oneself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, Heavenunlimited said: Didnt he mean, after were saved by grace, to try not to sin(but The Lord will be there, if we do) just that we cant just pretend like nothing/sin by knowingly doing and not resist? I.e. Live in sin. Not to make an effort. Did he mean, where Jesus say, that only those that do my Fathers will have life? Then Jesus mentions the laws and to love others like oneself. I don't remember any time, any verse, where YHWH, Y'SHUA, the PROPHETS, APOSTLES or disciples ever said (or were told) to "try" not to sin. Simply "go and sin no more", "you must be holy because I AM HOLY", "you must be perfect because your FATHER IN HEAVEN is perfect", "do not lie to one another any more (ever)", and they walked and lived "IN UNION WITH Y'SHUA" , and YHWH states in HIS WORD the ecclesia were set apart and faithful and righteous ...... What YHWH says, let's agree to. Now, go and drive around AND DO NOT RUN A RED LIGHT (no, not ever! ) . (do not commit fornication nor adultery either, no, not ever ! ) See how easy it is to keep the commandments, (JESUS said they are not burdensome, and that is the TRUTH). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 No theyre not hard, have no other gods.. Honor father and mother.. Dont steal. Cheat. Lie..etc..be loving.. Thats basics. Thats something I dont even have to try go against. I simply dont ..have it in me. The only thing that might be tricky is to honor parents that are ongoing heavily abusive. How you do that? Without getting ongoing hurt with no end? Otherwise..no.. Always been loving and kind to others, and giving.. Thats my nature really never been a struggle. I dont steal Or want others or their partners. I dont commit adultery.. I dont lie. Its been over ten years since. Yes Ive come out of new age but Ive made clean slate with God. So no..not hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2017 Don't you all think the title of this thread is something that's attempting to teach us that we have to work to keep what God's grace gave us? What does scripture say about thinking we can work our way into Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 2, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jewels7 said: Don't you all think the title of this thread is something that's attempting to teach us that we have to work to keep what God's grace gave us? What does scripture say about thinking we can work our way into Heaven? Good question, perhaps. In REVELATION, who does JESUS send to the lake of fire on judgment day ? Those who HE knew, or those who HE did not know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 2, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2017 Doesn't the bible tell us God knew us before our mother's wombs? Before earth was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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