Could the antichrist be a Muslim

[n2thelight]

On 6/3/2017 at 9:31 AM, iamlamad said:

Diaste wrote:

 

 

There are different people groups being mentioned. It is the CHURCH that is gathered, but it is the Jews (Hebrews) that are sealed for their protection.

In Rev. 7, the intermission between the 6th and 7th seals, we see two events taking place or having taken place. Picture this intermission as the closing of the curtains on one act of a play. What goes on behind the curtain? They are rearranging the set for the next act. That is what John is doing here: the set must be ready for the next act, which is the start of the 70th week of Daniel at the 7th seal.  So two events MUST TAKE PLACE (the setting made ready) before the 7th seal.

1. The 144,000 must be sealed for their protection

2. The Bride of Christ must be transported into heaven for safety.

In Revelation 7 we see both of these accomplished.

How can you say it's the Jew's that are sealed,when most don't even believe in Christ.Do you no what the seal is?It's knowledge,so how can they have knowledge when they do believe,won't happen!

As for the bride ,safety from what?

[Daniel 11:36]

The 144000 of Israel will have the knowledge and will be those first saved during the 70th week decreed for Israel beginning in chapter 8 ....  the tribulation period

The balance of chapter 7 relates to Gentile believers already made immortal

.... and the anti-christ will be a Muslim [Micah 5:5-6]

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[iamlamad]

On 6/6/2017 at 8:13 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

The 144000 of Israel will have the knowledge and will be those first saved during the 70th week decreed for Israel beginning in chapter 8 ....  the tribulation period

The balance of chapter 7 relates to Gentile believers already made immortal

.... and the anti-christ will be a Muslim [Micah 5:5-6]

 

Daniel 11, I don't know of you are pretrib or not, but did you ever wonder why these 144,000 did not go up in the rapture?  My guess is, they realized that Jesus WAS their Messiah when the rapture took place, became new believers right away.

Edited June 10, 2017 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

On 6/5/2017 at 11:15 PM, n2thelight said:

How can you say it's the Jew's that are sealed,when most don't even believe in Christ.Do you no what the seal is?It's knowledge,so how can they have knowledge when they do believe,won't happen!

As for the bride ,safety from what?

Did you not read in Rev. 14 the description of the 144,000? How can you say they don't believe? OF COURSE these 144,000 will be believers: they will follow Jesus everywhere. They are the first-fruits of the descendants of Jacob.

The bride will be removed to haven while God's wrath is pouring out on earth.

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Did you not read in Rev. 14 the description of the 144,000? How can you say they don't believe? OF COURSE these 144,000 will be believers: they will follow Jesus everywhere. They are the first-fruits of the descendants of Jacob.

The bride will be removed to haven while God's wrath is pouring out on earth.

Soooo,why didn't they get raptured?

And saved from what?

Edited June 11, 2017 by n2thelight

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Soooo,why didn't they get raptured?

And saved from what?

My guess - and it is a guess - is that they were typical Hebrews of today, not believing that Jesus was their Messiah. But then the rapture took place. Perhaps before He was hidden in the cloud, He was visible. Or perhaps just the fact that millions suddenly disappeared. So when the rapture came, they were not believers, but immediately became believers.

They are sealed for protection during the trumpet judgments.

[fixerupper]

On 3/4/2017 at 11:20 AM, Ezra said:

"Could the antichrist be a Muslim?"

No. He must be a renegade Jew, since he will have access to the Temple in Jerusalem, and will also claim to be the "true" Jewish Messiah.  Please note carefully:

Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. (Daniel 11:37).

The "God of his fathers" is none other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and this man, being a Jew, will blaspheme God and oppose Christ -- hence the word Antichrist (Greek antichristos = opposed to and also in place of Christ).

He will have access to Jerusalem's Holy Place but there's no Jewish temple there and no temple is prophesied to be rebuilt.

Abraham is the father of Ishmael and the father of most Arabs.  Daniel 11:37 is full of details and it's easy to miss them.

John Hagee interprets Daniel 11:37 saying the man of sin will be a homosexual Jew.  Not only because of the 'TEMPLE'  but because of the phrase, "nor the desire of women," which doesn't imply homosexuality but means the man of sin will not considerate of the desires of women, a fundamental belief in Islam.  There are three different words for 'God' between verse 36 and 39 and that must be taken into account to understand the passage.

The temple is also an issue that needs to be looked at objectively.  The man of sin authenticates himself in the 'temple,' and that's why people believe he's going to be Jewish.  The "holy place" is todays Temple Mount area and the site of Solomon's and Herod's temple.  Upon' this "Holy place" (which is God's only claimed piece of real estate on planet earth) stands an anti-Christ monument called the "Dome of the Rock" and Al'aqsa mosque.  There are reasons why John was instructed not to measure the inner court but only the outer court.  It's occupied by Islam.

I've looked at 2 Thes. 2:4 in the lexicons as well as the interlinear and this is the way I believe it should be understood.  The word used for 'God' is the same word used for a 'false god or goddess'.  The word used for 'temple' is the same word that's used for a 'heathen temple or shrine'.  I also noticed from the interlinear that the KJV translators dropped the word 'the' in "temple of (the) God."

This is how the verse should read...

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the heathen temple of 'the' god (Allah), shewing himself that he is God.  That temple would be the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque.

In Daniel 11:36 the word god, gods, and God is the same Hebrew word, yet in the English translation God is capitalized once.  He will promote himself as being greater than all gods including the God of Israel. That's why it's not capitalized even though it's the same word.
 
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

In verse 37 Strong's #H410 "el" isn't used. Strong's #H430 "'elohiym"and H433 "'elowahh" are used instead of #H410.
 
37 Neither shall he regard the God (Strong's #H430) of his fathers,  It is used once in the entire passage indicating 'Elohiyim. 

³⁷ Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

³⁸ But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

³⁹ Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Edited June 20, 2017 by fixerupper

[Revelation Man]

On 6/4/2017 at 7:18 AM, Diaste said:

I think we all better take a good hard look at what's going on in the world today. 

I know many here believe at the end of the age Rome will be revived and the AC will rise from some political entity representing the RRE.

The problem with this is where do we see evidence of such a revival?

Yes, the E.U. has already become a world power, it was thought up and brought into being in Rome. 

Europe’s economic integration narrative

From the Treaties of Rome (January 1958) to the Maastricht Treaty (November 1993), Europe moved gradually but unambiguously towards closer economic integration – i.e. an ‘internal market’.

I don't understand your point at all. Its already here and you are seemingly still looking for it to arise !!

On 6/4/2017 at 7:18 AM, Diaste said:

Shouldn't we be seeing a Golden Eagle emblazoned on a building in Europe? Or on a flag? Armbands? Anything signifying the desire of a group to reorganize the Roman empire would be helpful. Maybe a political party named Roman Conservative Party, or some such? Do we hear any calls for forming a senate body in the EU to elect a leader based on the Roman model of a republic or dictatorship? And where are the remnants of the Roman political entity? Not the RCC, this is a religious entity, not a political one. I'm not seeing any such thing but if someone has, please let me know.

We do see the reboot of an empire that ruled the known world. An entity that never died out but grew since it's abolition in the early 1900's. Today this group has unsettled the entire world and too many are ignoring this. We are ignoring the evidence that is right before our eyes. Why do we do that? Why are we predisposed to doggedly adhere to our conceptions and ignore reality? Maybe it's because we don't like reality intruding on personal ideals. I hate that myself but I still allow the evidence to engage and refute, if possible, my preconceptions. We all need to change our thinking to fit the facts.

This kind of shows why you are having the problems you are, YOU chose to call it the Revived Roman Empire, I sometimes go along with this jargon, even though I have made it abundantly clear that these two BEASTS are Unique Beasts unto themselves, one only Arises from the others FOOTPRINT, but hes is DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST !! The Roman Beast is Dead forever more. There is another Final Beast that shall Arise out of his head, IN EUROPE, and he will be different in that he will be a MAN BEAST, and there will be no Kings but him, once he dies his Kingdom is over. You seemingly think because he Arises out of his Head, Europe it has to be a RRE, it doesn't, it ain't and it never will be the Roman Beast. That's Wrong Thinking.

Daniel clearly tells us this is a different Beast that arises in the End Times. The Fourth Beast and the LITTLE HORN are two separate Beasts who arise out of the same Land Mass, Europe. Its really pretty simple, just two verses is all that needs to be read to understand this.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth (ROME), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (Before it arose, Babylon, Persia and Greece), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (Little Horn) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The Fourth Beast is Rome, he is Different from the First Three Beasts or ALL THE KINGDOMS before him. (Pax-Romanus). He shall devour the Whole Earth which means all the Land Spoken of, just like Nebuchadnezzar was said to have Conquered all the Whole Earth, just like the He Goat was said to conquer the Whole Earth.....MANY.....Jump to the conclusion that this has to be an End Time Event because Rome couldn't conquer the Whole Earth, when the word used has been proven time and again not to mean the WHOLE EARTH, thus they change the Fourth Beast, erroneously, to and End Time Beast and have done away with the Little Horns unique nature as being the Last Beast, different from the Fourth Beast. 

Picking back up, he Devours the Whole Earth....then 10 Horns arise and a LITTLE HORN arises with them or amongst them. This Little Horn IS AN End Time Beast because when he dies he is cast straight into hell by Jesus/Ancient One (Dan. 7:11) This Little horn is DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST !!! Not different from ALL but from the FIRST.....Meaning the First Kingdom that arose from Rome, this Little Horn will be a Single Dictator, he will not share is power with anyone. Yet he is a BEAST unto himself, hence you have Seven Heads, Egypt, Assyria, From Daniel on...Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the ANTI-CHRIST. The Fourth Kingdom and the Little Horn are two Separate Beasts who Arise out of the Same Footprint. 

On 6/4/2017 at 7:18 AM, Diaste said:

The facts are Radical Islam is on the rise. This theocracy is bent on killing or enslaving everyone refusing to convert. They slaughter men, women and children all over the world by any means necessary. They use vehicles to mow down anyone not them and use beheadings to terrorize everyone, and they increase in number. Their numbers increase in populated areas not just on the battlefield. This is worse and more difficult than fighting against an army in a defined theater. The army of radical Islam is spread far and wide in many western cities and it's much larger than most know. 

We have already been invaded by enormous sleeper cells just waiting for the moment when their leader rises to world prominence. 

That leader is going to be Islamic. They are well prepared and in place to carry out the commands of this coming leader. We all to need to be prepared ourselves.

You can't fit "FEELINGS" toward scriptures, that is not how it works. Its irrelevant how many people Islam has killed, how radical they are, how crazy they are, how barbaric they are, they are not named in Scripture as any Beast. And they can not be the Little Horn, as per the Scriptures. They have no power to conquer, they are all weak Militarily speaking they can't even conquer Israel, thus just as Daniel 8:25 says, he will Destroy via a Peace/Security Deal. The Islamic nation will never trick Israel into a Peace Deal that threatens their Security. That defies common sense. BUT....a European Leader could force a deal between all the Parties, after he.... lets says WIPES OUT Radical Islam !! This causes Israel to trust him somewhat, and he forces a Deal between Israel and the Muslims/Arabs. Its like NATO, he orders the Islamic Nations to DISARM or Else, them he requires a Treaty where he himself alone guarantees the Security/Peace of the Region, no weapons in any Arab Nations or in Israel, Europe is the the what the USA now is to Europe via NATO. 

The Muslims will never rule the World, they will never be trusted, but Satan will confuse many via this Muslim angle. But it doesn't fit and never will. These "Sleeper" cells you speak of will be the reason this new European President (Anti-Christ/Beast) comes against Radical Islam. Satan is of course BRILLIANT, he will use that which he has brought forth, to give HIS MAN CRED. He will gain much trust by destroying Radical Islam.

But the Beast is the Little Horn that Arises out of Europe.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Revelation Man

[fixerupper]

Revelation man said,

Quote

 

Yes, the E.U. has already become a world power, it was thought up and brought into being in Rome. 

Europe’s economic integration narrative

From the Treaties of Rome (January 1958) to the Maastricht Treaty (November 1993), Europe moved gradually but unambiguously towards closer economic integration – i.e. an ‘internal market’.

I don't understand your point at all. Its already here and you are seemingly still looking for it to arise !!

Unless you've uncovered somthing I'm unaware of, there's no scriptural evidence for Rome.  Every verse of prophecy mentiones nations found in the Mid-East.  Not Europe.  Besides that, the iron and clay is said to be divide and not cleaved to one another, partly strong and partly broken, and intermaried.  That in no way implies Rome or the EU which is united and has good alliances. The iron and clay represent Arabs and the Subbi and Shia sects of Islam.

Quote

Daniel clearly tells us this is a different Beast that arises in the End Times. The Fourth Beast and the LITTLE HORN are two separate Beasts who arise out of the same Land Mass, Europe. Its really pretty simple, just two verses is all that needs to be read to understand this.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth (ROME), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms (Before it arose, Babylon, Persia and Greece), and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (Little Horn) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

There's no evidence the fourth beast is Rome.  You believe that because you think Daniel 2 depicts the same empires, but it doesn't.  Why would God find it necessary to repeat the same message in two different visions by the same prophet?  

We do have an indication where the 'little horn' rises.
Daniel 8:8-9
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.  And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.  

These are fragments of the Grecian Empire including Antiochus, not Rome.  Daniel 11 also tells implies the region of the Middle-East as Persia and Grecia are mentioned, not Rome.

And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

Everything mentioned here omits Rome.  The Grecian Empire wasn't a European Empire.  Daniel 8 also helps us understand Daniel 2.

Edited June 20, 2017 by fixerupper

[fixerupper]

10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Why couldn't the 'iron and clay' mixture represent two cultures that don't mix...Europeans and Middle Eastern, just as iron and clay don't mix? After all, the iron had represented the Roman Empire in Daniel.

The iron doesn't represent the Roman Empire.  The word 'mixed' that describes the iron and clay is the Aramaic word 'arab' which implies Arabia or an Arab. Not Rome.  The iron and clay is said to be divided and intermarried.  The Arabs are among the most intermarried yet divided people in the world.