When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Jayne said: Whoa! You cited a fact as a Biblical fact without providing scripture. You said that Jesus and the disciples partook of the Lord's Supper on 13 Aviv (or Nisan). All TheMatrixHasU71 asked for what scripture did you base that on. You told him to prove otherwise. You have the burden of proof to show that something is taught in the Bible or not if you are the one who asserts it. And your implication that he is "not a Christian" because he doesn't believe you and your assertion that he "doesn't understand what he is saying" is over the top. You've crossed the line. You said that the Last Supper took place on 13 Aviv (Nisan). All that was asked was for a scripture reference. Please provide it. You're not a very good reader as it was him who asked me for proof, and you also did not read the OP correctly either as I provided all the scriptures there. Go back to the OP and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said: Do you really think they even felt like eating after what had just happened? Have you no understanding of what it is like to loose someone you love? Someone who was so important to you that you followed them whereever they went. Someone who you would die for, as they said they would but then denied even knowing them. Have you any idea what guilt feels like? Guilt that eats you up. And have you ever hid in fear of your life as they did? Doubt it very much. The last thing they felt like was eating. You obviously have never thought that deeply about what they all went through. Jesus said they would fast and the only mention of food in all that time was when Jesus broke bread and ate the fish. Please try putting some thought into what you think you believe. You doubt that I understand loss? That I understand the hell of guilt? That I don't think? You presume a lot, don't you. I've obviously upset you. That was not my intent. I merely asked if you could provide the basis of the your assertion that the Last Supper took place on 13 Aviv (Nisan). And I merely gave my understanding of the passage you provided. Sorry. Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jayne said: You doubt that I understand loss? That I understand the hell of guilt? That I don't think? You presume a lot, don't you. I've obviously upset you. That was not my intent. I merely asked if you could provide the basis of the your assertion that the Last Supper took place on 13 Aviv (Nisan). And I merely gave my understanding of the passage you provided. Sorry. Have a good day. Not presumption. It's a fact that you have not empathised with the Apostles and there feelings after the crucifixion. Jesus is my Lord and when some who claims to believe in Jesus presumes the Apostles could have eaten after it is pointed out to them that the scriptures state that Jesus said they wouldn't, then yes it is upsetting. I am upset at your lack of empathy at our Apostles feelings and situation. And again, I did provide scripture, you failed to read it. Edited March 9, 2017 by When Is Jesus Coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 3/8/2017 at 0:15 PM, When Is Jesus Coming? said: Not many Christians know about this Jewish tradition but it was a fast that Jesus took part in but has virtually gone unnoticed. The fast of Esther begins on day 13 of month 1 (Aviv) and lasts three days till the 16th: Esther 3:12 Then on the thirteenth day of the first month the royal secretaries were summoned. Later that day: Esther 4:15-16 15 Then Esther sent this reply to Mordecai: 16 “Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.” Esther broke with tradition and rather than eat the Passover meal she decided to fast in the hope of receiving God’s Favour, as she was about to break a law that could have resulted in her receiving a death sentence. In recognition of this event many of the Jews who were saved began a tradition by fasting over these same three days and instead ate the Passover meal early on the 13th, others however continued to eat it on the normal day. (I believe the Essenes kept the fast of Esther). After the last supper, that took place on the evening of the 13th Aviv as the sun set, Jesus also fasted over these same three days, ending on the evening of the sixteenth day when He broke bread with Cleopas and the other disciple in Emmaus (Luke 24). He then immediately appeared to the eleven disciples in the upper room that night and asked for some broiled fish to eat. His disciples also fasted over that time just as Jesus had said they would: Mark 2:19-20 19 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. 20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast. It has nothing to do with the fast of Esther in Mark 2:19-20. The Pharisees and disciples of John the Baptist were fasting and Jesus and his disciples were at the feast at Levi's house. Jesus was asked why his disciples were not fasting like John's disciples and the Pharisees. The Pharisees decreed two fasts a week, one on Monday and another on Thursday. They were talking about the Pharisaical fasts and why the disciples were not instructed to follow the Pharisees' teaching and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: It has nothing to do with the fast of Esther in Mark 2:19-20. The Pharisees and disciples of John the Baptist were fasting and Jesus and his disciples were at the feast at Levi's house. Jesus was asked why his disciples were not fasting like John's disciples and the Pharisees. The Pharisees decreed two fasts a week, one on Monday and another on Thursday. They were talking about the Pharisaical fasts and why the disciples were not instructed to follow the Pharisees' teaching and practice. Read the OP. I was not talking about anything you just mentioned. Also the Jews never used the Roman Julian Calendar names of the week till at least the 2nd century AD. Edited March 9, 2017 by When Is Jesus Coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said: Read the OP. I was not talking about anything you just mentioned. Also the Jews never used the Roman Julian Calendar names of the week till at least the 2nd century AD. I read the OP and you were not talking about anything I just mentioned, that is true. That is why your supposition is wrong. It has nothing to do with the fast of Esther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: I read the OP and you were not talking about anything I just mentioned, that is true. That is why your supposition is wrong. It has nothing to do with the fast of Esther. You will need to provide scripture to refute the scriptures I have posted to support your assertion, otherwise it's just you speaking. Some Jews to this day keep this fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, inchrist said: Exodus 12:18 In the first [month], on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at evening. Christ ate the unleavened bread on the first night of the fourteenth of Abib (just after the sun went down on the 13th of Abib - that is how tue hebrews count their days) This also means Christ ate passover on the 13th of Abib in the evening in order to not violate the Torah. So long as he and his disciples killed the lamb at evening or in Hebrew beyn ha’ereb which means between the two evenings Luke 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat Yes that's right. Thank you. Edited March 9, 2017 by When Is Jesus Coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, inchrist said: Sorry but there is alot in Esther that parallels to Jesus The connection is with this part of the verse Mark 2:20 (NASB) "But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day. The "bridegroom," Who was now here, would one day be "taken away" and they will fast in that day. The New Testament doesn't make any connection between Mark 2:19-20 and the fast of Esther. Any connection you are making between the two is superficial and doesn't rely on good theology or good exegesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted March 10, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: The New Testament doesn't make any connection between Mark 2:19-20 and the fast of Esther. Any connection you are making between the two is superficial and doesn't rely on good theology or good exegesis. 1. Jesus said His disciples would fast when He would be taken. 2. Jesus' last meal was on the 13th Aviv with His disciples and He did not eat again till the 16th. 3. This coincided with when Esther fasted over the same 3 days in order to gain favour from God so that God's people could be saved, just as Jesus saved His people. 4. None of the disciples were shown to eat over these 3 days. 5. Today this 3 day fast is still recognised as the fast of Esther: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?PYM=Y2017M1 Esther's fast was a foreshadow of what Jesus was going to do, just as Passover was. It's not difficult to See this parallel. There are many more foreshadowings in the OT that Jesus fulfilled. Edited March 10, 2017 by When Is Jesus Coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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