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Guest shiloh357
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Just now, inchrist said:

I think im gonna need it....you guys are unwilling to understand what you accusing.

Like i said you guy are pretending to be exports on Catholicism more than what the catholics are

No, we understand the RCC and I have already proven they pray to Mary, despite your claims.   We don't need to be experts to recognize that the RCC is a fraud.

Guest shiloh357
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Just now, inchrist said:

No shiloh, im very happy to criticise the catholic church. But im not going to do that based on false accusations. You guys are not doing any favours by doing this.

Truth does not lie in biaism

biaism???   is that your made up word of the day or something?

This is not about bias.  It is about what the RCC does that violates Scripture.   And frankly, you're just passing out the same warmed over stew that every Catholic ever said on this board.   And you're just as wrong as they were.  And we are not going to listen to you anymore than we listened to them.

Guest shiloh357
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Just now, inchrist said:

No you dont understand their position.

And you are avoiding my question based on the doctrine of immortal souls.....are they dead or alive?

Simply question that is goinf to help to get to the truth of all this

I already answered your question above about two posts ago or so.

Guest shiloh357
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2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Yeh it is actually I thought it was clever because its a doctrine you are steeped in.....attack without understanding

 

no it is you even have them in your eschatology.....you seem to have a very unhewlthy hatred towards christians who dont believe exactly as you do

Roman Catholicism is not Christianity  I dont hate them, but   Catholicism is a cult.

Guest shiloh357
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11 minutes ago, inchrist said:

No you do hate them, its clear as day.

 

Also i couldnt find your response on immortal souls dead or alive.....so unlike the previous gentlemen who threatened and insulted me, ill ask in a christian manner to please clarify your position on my question.

If I have happened to miss it, I apologies and request for you to response a second time

If they trusted in Jesus as Lord and Savior, they are in Heaven.   But regardless, they are physically dead and we are forbidden in Deut. 18:11 from contacting them.   God hates it calls it an abomination.   We are to pray to God and God alone.

Guest shiloh357
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8 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Ok so dead saints are alive.

Little contradictory saying you praying to dead people then

No contradiction.   If they accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, they are with Christ and are alive, spiritually.   but they are physically dead and we are not permitted to contact them.   You are trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist.

Guest shiloh357
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1 minute ago, inchrist said:

How do you come to terms with peter wanting to build a tent for two dead saints?

He was rebuked by God the Father saying that if you read the story.   When Peter said that, God the Father spoke and said, "This my beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased; Hear Him.

So Peter was wrong.   That's how I deal with that story. 

Guest shiloh357
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2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

No we are not allowed to summon spirits on earth..

Dead and alive are contradictory terms, you either dead or alive, theres no such thing as being dead and alive at the same time.

Physically dead and spiritually alive are not contradictions.  If said someone was both physically dead and physically alive, that would be a contradiction.  

Apparently, you are still trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist.   We are not allowed to summon anyone who is physically dead and passed on into the after life, Deut. 18:11.   Either you believe the Bible or you don't.

Guest shiloh357
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11 minutes ago, inchrist said:

You can make things up.

That wasnt a rebukement....lol "This my beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased; Hear Him".

How is that rebukement? 

 

Rebukement???  (sigh)

It was a rebuke of Peter for Peter wanting to give equal honor to Jesus, Moses and Elijah.  Moses and Elijah represent the law and the prophets.   God said to listen to Jesus.   Jesus, not the law, not the prophets is how God speaks to us today (Heb. 1:1-2).

Peter was wrong, simply put. 

Guest shiloh357
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3 hours ago, inchrist said:

Alive is alive 


 

The Bible says we are not to contact the physically dead.  Deut. 18:11.  

Physically dead is Physically dead.   You seem to want to skirt around the fact that the Bible prohibits us from contacting those in the after life.

 

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I believe the bible,

No, you don't.  The Bible says Jesus is God.  You repeatedly reject Scripture's testimony about that.

 

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I believe the bible, but dont believe in your interpretation, never have and I highly doubt I ever will.....yoi have a serious flaw in your approach.

 a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead (Deuteronomy 18:9-11)

The word is consults has a very different meaning than “speak to”.

Definiton of Consults: to ask the advice or opinion of.

Catholics do not ask the advice of dead saints or to tell them what to dk or to change the future

You see Saul consulted a medium for guidance.

Definition of NECROMANCY: conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events

Now lets look at Saul again as our case study

 I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.

you are expressing sloppy exegesis as usual (*sigh)

Again if you going to accuse the catholics get your accusations correct first.

I have no issues with lambasting the catholic church , there are many things I do not agree with the Catholic church alot of it is within this subject which im comparing with your own mad doctrines but do so with proper information and understanding of the catholic positions, if you wish to be a fair judge.

 

No, see,  the Bible gives us a behavioral paradigm.   That means that the Bible doesn't list every sin a person can possibly commit.  But gives us enough information that we can judge what the Bible doesn't mention by what it does.    So the Bible forbids contact with the dead by necromancers.  That means that the Bible forbids the contact with the dead, period.   Doesn't matter who does it. 

The Bible also tells us not to make graven images, or images engraved on wood or stone or metal.   Does that mean we are allowed to worship images drawn on paper?  Or painted on the ground?    Does the actual way the image is produced matter?  No. The point is that we are not to worship images.  How the image was produced is irrelevant.

It's the same with just about any prohibition the Bible gives us.  The way the sin is committed doesn't matter.    Communicating with the dead through medium or not, it doesn't matter.  The point is that God doesn't want us contacting the dead, period.   How you do it is irrelevant. 

Besides, Roman Catholic "saints"  and their reprobate Popes are all in hell, anyway and don't need to be contacted.  Why talk to someone in hell?   The only true saints are those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

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