BobRyan Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 17 hours ago, Wolf Bridges said: What scripture says that exactly ? The physical world was created so that we would be the judges of angels. Good question -- Posted in response to this -- 23 hours ago, other one said: Paul tells us that we will judge angels.... that is why the physical world was created That question gets to the point of "sola scriptura testing" of all doctrine and practice instead of just "making stuff up". Recall that in Mark 7:6j-13 the Jewish leaders were condemned by Christ for just "making stuff up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinessity Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 260 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 188 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 32 minutes ago, BobRyan said: Good question -- Posted in response to this -- The response to that good question, and thank you for saying so, would have to be supported by scripture don't you think? Scripture that says the world was created so that people could judge the angels? The common sense defense wouldn't hold in any other discussion about scriptural declarations or inferences would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 When did God decide for us to judge Angeles? Was it an after thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 3 hours ago, BobRyan said: Good question -- Posted in response to this -- Thank you. 3 hours ago, Happinessity said: The response to that good question, and thank you for saying so, would have to be supported by scripture don't you think? Scripture that says the world was created so that people could judge the angels? The common sense defense wouldn't hold in any other discussion about scriptural declarations or inferences would it? Thank you for the support. 59 minutes ago, other one said: When did God decide for us to judge Angeles? Was it an after thought? That isn't a scripture supporting your prior statement that we're all discussing here. The world was created by God so that we could judge the angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, Wolf Bridges said: Thank you. Thank you for the support. That isn't a scripture supporting your prior statement that we're all discussing here. The world was created by God so that we could judge the angels. No like other things you have to apply common sense to what you are reading. So why did God create the physical world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Happinessity said: The response to that good question, and thank you for saying so, would have to be supported by scripture don't you think? Scripture that says the world was created so that people could judge the angels? [/quote] Agreed. We know from 1 Cor 6 that the saints will in fact judge the fallen angels - but no Bible text says that the world was created for that purpose - that I know of. 3 hours ago, Happinessity said: The common sense defense wouldn't hold in any other discussion about scriptural declarations or inferences would it? Well there is certainly room for logic, common sense, reason ... in formulating a doctrine/opinion/preference - but even then it should be 'tested' by the Bible to see if it is contradicting the Bible. If your local church says that everyone who sits on the platform and leads out each week - must wear red shoes - that "custom" or rule or practice does not violate some Bible doctrine and so would be "allowed" - but it also does not allow it to elevate to the level of "scripture" or "divine command" or ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) On 5/14/2017 at 0:27 AM, JohnD said: Is God responsible for Satan's actions? IMHO God took responsibility for Satan's actions as his Creator when he set out to create the physical realm and set into motion his plan of redemption for man (which he personally became one for all eternity to come). Otherwise God could have justly washed his hands of Satan and all the fallen angels and banished them to tartarus and been done with it (and never had to create a physical realm). I think that is not quite correct. First and foremost - God created a free-will system for intelligent life in the universe. That sovereign choice comes with some strong limitations. If God wants all intelligent life in the universe to Love God of their own free will. Then if God knows that zapping rebellion has the downside effect of making all intelligent life question whether God is truly loving or just a dictator. He has to finesse the solution ever so brilliantly to avoid the problem. God did just wash his hands of all Satan's accusation - from the very start - But having chosen the finessed solution that preserves free will, he must also explain to those who will listen why it is that all this sin and evil in the world today "is not God's fault". Edited May 15, 2017 by BobRyan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, other one said: No like other things you have to apply common sense to what you are reading. So why did God create the physical world? Find it in scripture and show us. 1Corinthians says it is only when we are in Heaven that we will have the capacity to judge the angels. Because then we will be higher than they are. As of now, we're lower than the angels. By God's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Wolf Bridges said: Find it in scripture and show us. 1Corinthians says it is only when we are in Heaven that we will have the capacity to judge the angels. Because then we will be higher than they are. As of now, we're lower than the angels. By God's will. When did God decide we would judge angels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 29 minutes ago, other one said: When did God decide we would judge angels? After we're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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