enoob57 Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, missmuffet said: I really am trying to confirm your statement but.....oh well teasing the tease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, enoob57 said: teasing the tease I see I got my intended response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: I see I got my intended response I was on the precipice of not sure so "teasig the tease" was it could go either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted May 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, enoob57 said: This situation Biblically addressed: God gives us no guarantees with anything outside of Scripture; in fact we are warned that all is to be suspect unless verified by Scripture. My solace is in these facts and I will remain silent where Scripture is silent, I will speak little where Scripture speaks little, precept upon precept line upon line that is the narrow path that leads to righteousness in Christ alone and a mind ready for continuing in truth. was the scripture written for you or the people in the time of Jesus. Their thought processes were different than ours today and some things make a lot more sense if you understand their lives and what they were exposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, other one said: was the scripture written for you or the people in the time of Jesus. Their thought processes were different than ours today and some things make a lot more sense if you understand their lives and what they were exposed to. "was the scripture written for you or the people in the time of Jesus." God to His glory both... As much as I have stressed proper hermeneutics it would seem I don't even need to respond to this... context is everything but once the truth is exegeted it is applicable in that exegesis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: "was the scripture written for you or the people in the time of Jesus." God to His glory both... As much as I have stressed proper hermeneutics it would seem I don't even need to respond to this... context is everything but once the truth is exegeted it is applicable in that exegesis! but if you don't really understand their times and thoughts have you really understood what the writer was saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, other one said: but if you don't really understand their times and thoughts have you really understood what the writer was saying? OO I just answered that already context is everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted May 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, enoob57 said: OO I just answered that already context is everything... the point I'm trying to get across is that if you don't understand who it's written for/to how can you possibly get the context..... if that's what you are saying then I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The unique thing about historical setting is that it is woven throughout literature and many facts scattered over a broad field of literature aids in discerning cultural settings... One must have discerning abilities scholastically to evaluate such evidence to arive at the most probable realities to actual culture at that time. Historical and cultural writing are regulated by the reader of that time and exagerations and erroneous writings would not have survived the shelves because they are neutral to morality and would have been disdained by the 'what really is people' of that time... Yet when spiritual matters are sought through the medium outside of Biblical text we have shared the authority with dubios methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, other one said: the point I'm trying to get across is that if you don't understand who it's written for/to how can you possibly get the context..... if that's what you are saying then I missed it. Question: "Why is it important to study the Bible in context? What is wrong with taking verses out of context?" Answer: It's important to study Bible passages and stories within their context. Taking verses out of context leads to all kinds of error and misunderstanding. Understanding context begins with four principles: literal meaning (what it says), historical setting (the events of the story, to whom is it addressed, and how it was understood at that time), grammar (the immediate sentence and paragraph within which a word or phrase is found) and synthesis (comparing it with other parts of Scripture for a fuller meaning). Context is crucial to biblical exegesis in that it is one of its most important fundamentals. After we account for the literal, historical, and grammatical nature of a passage, we must then focus on the outline and structure of the book, then the chapter, then the paragraph. All of these things refer to "context." To illustrate, it is like looking at Google Maps and zooming in on one house. Taking phrases and verses out of context always leads to misunderstanding. For instance, taking the phrase "God is love" (1 John 4:7-16) out of its context, we might come away thinking that our God loves everything and everyone at all times with a gushing, romantic love. But in its literal and grammatical context, “love” here refers to agape love, the essence of which is sacrifice for the benefit of another, not a sentimental, romantic love. The historical context is also crucial, because John was addressing believers in the first century church and instructing them not on God’s love per se, but on how to identify true believers from false professors. True love—the sacrificial, beneficial kind—is the mark of the true believer (v. 7), those who do not love do not belong to God (v. 8), God loved us before we loved Him (vv. 9-10), and all of this is why we should love one another and thereby prove that we are His (v. 11-12). Furthermore, considering the phrase "God is love" in the context of all of Scripture (synthesis) will keep us from coming to the false, and all-too-common, conclusion that God is only love or that His love is greater than all His other attributes, which is simply not the case. We know from many other passages that God is also holy and righteous, faithful and trustworthy, graceful and merciful, kind and compassionate, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, and many, many other things. We also know from other passages that God not only loves, but He also hates. The Bible is the Word of God, literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are commanded to read, study, and understand it through the use of good Bible study methods and always with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to guide us (1 Corinthians 2:14). Our study is greatly enhanced by maintaining diligence in the use of context because it is quite easy to come to wrong conclusions by taking phrases and verses out of context. It is not difficult to point out places that seemingly contradict other portions of Scripture, but if we carefully look at their context and use the entirety of Scripture as a reference, we can understand the meaning of a passage. “Context is king” means that the context often drives the meaning of a phrase. To ignore context is to put ourselves at a tremendous disadvantage. https://www.gotquestions.org/context-Bible.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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